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10 Mar 2010 12:47 AM  

Maybe we'll get lucky and some SJs will Join?

 Keirsey’s SJ “Guardians”
David Keirsey explains the temperaments at great length, but his descriptions can get long-winded and confusing. His SJ “Guardian” temperament can be summarized thus:

Communication: Concrete
You talk about people, things, and the general here and now.
Implementation: Cooperative
You favor cooperation, compliance, and reliance on teamwork; you play by the rules.
Character: Guardian
You are concerned with conformity, agreement, and making sure discipline is sustained.

Language: Associative
You make concrete connections when you speak, thinking in terms of the topic’s relation to the past.
Referential: Imperative
You often speak in orders and tend to sound commanding.
Syntactical: Comparative
You speak in terms relative to pre-established ideas, events, and experiences.
Rhetorical: Orthodox
You explain your views by appealing to what is known and familiar.

Intellect: Logistical
Your strength lies in your ability to maintain the stability of existing systems; you hold things together.
Directive Role: Administrator (xSTJ)
You are best at regulating procedures and holding others responsible for their actions.
Expressive Role: Supervisor (ESTJ)
You’re the boss, with an eye for both others’ conduct and the rules they should follow.
Reserved Role: Inspector (ISTJ)
You work behind the scenes to ensure that all goods are up to the standards.
Informative Role: Conservator (xSFJ)
You are best at giving support to and ensuring security for others.
Expressive Role: Provider (ESFJ)
You make sure everyone’s welfare is properly attended to; you help those in need.
Reserved Role: Protector (ISFJ)
You shield others from the dangers and dirt of the world, quietly maintaining order.

Interest
Education: Commerce
You prefer to learn about business and the nature of goods and services.
Preoccupation: Morality
You focus on maintaining social acceptability and a high standard of ethics for all.
Vocation: Materiel
You are happiest when working with supplies and equipment for an organization.

Orientation
Present: Stoicism
You are hardworking in the present and always working to save for later. 
Future: Pessimism
You are always prepared and expect the worst.
Past: Fatalism
You generally view life as predetermined and think that everything happens for a reason.
Place: Gateways
You like to always be standing guard, keeping an eye on comings, goings, and conduct.
Time: Yesterday
You yearn for “the good old days;” you feel that nothing can compare to how things once were.

Self-Image
Self-Esteem: Dependable
You like yourself most when you see yourself as reliable and trustworthy.
Self-Respect: Beneficent
You respect yourself most when you and others see you as helpful and charitable.
Self-Confidence: Respectable
You feel the most confident when you are well thought-of and considered upright by others.

Value
Being: Concerned
Your prevalent mood is one of concern for all of your duties and responsibilities.
Trusting: Authority
When in doubt, you trust those in charge; you maintain great respect for power and order.
Yearning: Belonging
You ultimately want to be a part of a group, perhaps as a way of finding security.
Seeking: Security
You devote yourself to maintaining a stable, safe lifestyle.
Prizing: Gratitude
You derive great pleasure from being appreciated by others for your services.
Aspiring: Executive
You dream of becoming a distinguished leader in a well-regarded institution.

Social Role
Mating: Helpmate
In relationships, you seek to work with your partner toward a comfortable, stable life.
Parenting: Socializer
As a parent, you want your kids to be civilized, cultured, helpful, and productive.
Leading: Stabilizer
In leadership positions, you are schedule-oriented and make sure everyone follows the rules.

From Please Understand Me II, by David Keirsey.

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10 Mar 2010 12:58 AM  

Doh! And I was just about to put up something about my last ISTJ experience. Maybe I'll hold off 

SJ's are nice

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10 Mar 2010 01:01 AM  
Guts. Spill. We like the colors.
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10 Mar 2010 07:33 AM  
I'd like to profess my admiration for SJs. I have an awesome ESTJ housemate who has been a total champion these last few days while we go into battle with our landlord.
In the blink of an eye, an STJ has a plan of action for NOW, has looked up the rules & regulations, can cite Section numbers, has sourced the appropriate paperwork and already emailed copies to themself so forms can be printed at first opportunity.

Join join join!!! You're the glue that keeps society running. We like you
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17 Mar 2010 11:49 PM  
Hail to my ESxJ friend. Who gives a damn about me and my feelings. He listens when I talk with him about girls and relationships. When I don't feel like talking about theory or arguing, we just go do stuff and work out. He is great chatting up S girls at the pub when I have no ability to communicate with them.

Hail to my ESFP buddy who is like my son, I have to tell him what to do but he is so sweet and loves to get smashed and will always help out in a pinch. One day I'll have to introduce him to an ISTJ girl and I will love to see what happens.

Hail to my ISFJ computer programmer friend who is such an awesome guy. We talk about F guy stuff too.

One thing I like about S guys friends is that they care about stuff that is going on in your life. They don't get distracted by by metareality or possibility
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18 Mar 2010 12:12 AM  
On one side - I'm not a huge fan of S types. On the other hand, 3 of my 4 closest friends at the moment, are SJs (ESFJ, ESTJ, ISTJ, and INTP), and the one girl I've ever been almost completely in love with was SJ - so I got nothing. Welcome SJs.
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19 Mar 2010 09:05 AM  
My mom's an ESTJ. You'll never find her online for more than 5 minutes....and then it's with reluctance. My INTJ sister-in-law once described her as a roaring lion, and I have to say it's an apt description. She's ferocious when it comes to fighting on my behalf....or that of my siblings. She never has any qualms about getting right to the heart of a matter and saying exactly what needs to be said. She's loving, but she definitely doesn't confuse loyalty with sentimentality.... "I love you, but that was really stupid" would be the quote best suited for an ESTJ parent - eternally supportive, but that won't keep her from giving a good scolding, even as she gives a big hug. She's also practical to a fault. >.> She'd appreciate getting something useful rather than something fun. O.O
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