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08 Oct 2009 10:53 AM  

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Image of ultra-thin Ralph Lauren model sparks outrage

  

In recent years an ongoing debate has brewed over advertisers and fashion magazines using photographs, particularly photographs of women, that have seemingly been altered, or "retouched," by airbrushing and photo editing software such as Photoshop. The latest such image to cause an uproar is one featured in a new Ralph Lauren advertisement that shows a model, Filippa Hamilton, so emaciated that her waist actually appears to be smaller than her head.

On September 29th, Boing Boing's Xeni Jardin posted the ad, which originally appeared on a blog dedicated to pointing out suspected retouched images called Photoshop Disasters, with the comment, "Dude, her head's bigger than her pelvis." Ralph Lauren responded by filing a Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) complaint against Boing Boing and Photoshop Disasters, claiming that their use of the image was a copyright infringement that fell outside of the Fair Use laws which allow the media to reproduce creative content for the purposes of commentary and criticism.

The Internet service provider hosting Photoshop Disasters (Google Blogspot) deleted the post containing the image, while Boing Boing's (Canada's Priority Colo.) did not. In response, Boing Boing editor Cory Doctorow issued a stern warning to Ralph Lauren yesterday on the website, saying that the company's attempt to silence their criticism has only inspired them to step up their efforts in the future:

"Copyright law doesn't give you the right to threaten your critics for pointing out the problems with your offerings. You should know better. And every time you threaten to sue us over stuff like this, we will:

a) Reproduce the original criticism, making damned sure that all our readers get a good, long look at it, and;

b) Publish your spurious legal threat along with copious mockery, so that it becomes highly ranked in search engines where other people you threaten can find it and take heart; and

c) Offer nourishing soup and sandwiches to your models."

The U.S. isn't the only place where advertisers are feeling the public backlash over retouching claims. Overseas, a recent Olay ad featuring a virtually wrinkle-free 59-year-old Twiggy caused such an uproar in the UK that the British Parliament recently proposed outlawing retouching in advertisements aimed at teenagers. The movement was initiated by the nation's Liberal Democrats, whose leader on the issue, Jo Swinson, said:

"Today's unrealistic idea of what is beautiful means that young girls are under more pressure now than they were even five years ago. Airbrushing means that adverts contain completely unattainable images that no one can live up to in real life. We need to help protect children from these pressures and we need to make a start by banning airbrushing in adverts aimed at them. The focus on women's appearance has got out of hand - no one really has perfect skin, perfect hair and a perfect figure, but women and young girls increasingly feel that nothing less than thin and perfect will do."

In the U.S., many retouched images featuring celebrities have been the subject of recent scorn, including a L'Oreal ad that lightened Beyonce's skin, an image of Jessica Alba airbrushed to feature a slimmer waist in a Campari ad, and an ad for London Fog featuring Gisele Bunchen in which her "baby bump" was removed.

In response to the growing concern over retouching, a website called About-Face, whose stated mission is to arm "women and girls with tools to understand and resist harmful media messages that affect their self-esteem and body image," has sprung up. The site features a "Gallery of Offenders" as well as a "Gallery of Winners" to highlight who the site's editors feel are the advertising industry's best and worst in regards to improving and harming the image of the modern woman. Site visitors can also contribute money to help offset its operating costs as well as expand programs designed to educate young women on beauty and self-image.

Another website to garner attention for its dedication to exposing photo retouching offenses is Jezebel.com. Speaking on the subject of retouching, Jezebel editor-in-chief Anna Holmes told Yahoo!, "I don't see any point in retouching anymore ... The cat's out of the bag." She added, "I think Americans in particular are sick of having the wool pulled over their eyes ... even if it's regarding fashion models and actresses. The more they do this sort of retouching -- and then try to justify it, as the editor of SELF magazine recently did -- the less anyone believes anything else they have to say, or show. They are, in a sense, digging their own (shallow) graves."

Whether or not Holmes is right about the digging of "shallow graves" remains to be seen, but companies like Ralph Lauren certainly don't appear to be helping their cause by attempting to silence their critics, as doing so has only increased the amount of negative attention to their already controversial ad.

 

 

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08 Oct 2009 11:10 AM  

You are shedding light on an important issue Saul. That photo is outrageous.

What is so sad is that normal people (not supermodels) want to have their flaws hidden in photos too. I'm photographing a bit for fun and as late as yesterday a friend of mine asked me to 'shrink' his nose in retouch so it would look more Greek god like... No way! I'm not doing it, I'm not contributing to this madness.... I'll delete specs or dust in an image or adjust contrasts etc.,but I'm not removing cellulite or shrink body parts. It's about showing off what normal looks like and being proud that you've lived. Who wants to look like that Ralph Lauren model? It's sick!! (And by the way, real life anorexics actually have larger heads than pelvises... so it's a sign of disease.)

Damn! I was planning on doing some shopping at Ralph Lauren next week, not so sure anymore!

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08 Oct 2009 01:09 PM  

Men have liked boobs and booty for thousands of years. And they will continue to do so.

New York fashion designers tend to be homosexuals who get off on the undernourished little boy look. Women strangely buy into this for inter-female status reasons.

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08 Oct 2009 01:20 PM  
New York fashion designers tend to be homosexual men who get off on the undernourished little boy look. Women buy into this for inter-female status reasons.


Agreed. Red blooded american male here. We like signs of fertility. The "perfect" female ass has 80,000 calories of fat which is enough to form a baby. This is so weird, I think this targeted at women. I don't understand how it makes money for RL.

Does this make women think: I can never look like her, her status is unattainable therefore it is superior to mine?

But it is self defeating, men like thin girls but not anything like this. Or are we all denying the fact that this is art imitating life and a comment on our culture? Do VERY skinny girls get what they want from men more? Do men chase after them more? Women would view being super skinny as a status symbol unless it was a reflection of something .

Damn! I was planning on doing some shopping at Ralph Lauren next week, not so sure anymore!


I like the english gentry stile that RL draws inspiration from. Was moving out of their "brand" anyway. doing more armani because they fit me better... The model has a pretty face and a big bust but the hips are like a little boy. It is a weird image. This gives me a funny taste of the RL brands...
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08 Oct 2009 04:37 PM  

I've never worn a lot of RL before, but I kind of like their fall collection, was planning on buying a couple of cashmere dresses for work, cashmere is a lot cheaper in your country than in mine... This model isn't on their webpage, or she is, but that image is not. I just logged on to my wish list and I didn't see any outrageous photos there.

There's this 'perfect' hip to waist ratio of .7 or something that men are drawn to, regardless of a woman's weight. As long as that ratio is appealing you may be attracted even if that woman is overall a bit overweight or underweight. That ratio is the signal of fertility and health. (It's 0.9 for men.)

Interestingly enough: when women are asked to point out body shapes that they think that men find attractive they point to rather skinny ones. When men are asked to point out what shape they find attractive they pick shapes 2-3-4 times bigger than the women, so yes a lot of women falsely believe that men are attracted to skinny bodies. Women also falsely believe that their own body shape is bigger than it actually is. (It can be objectively measured.) And remember, we dress/look for other women as much as we try to attract attention from men. We want to signal to other women that we have a sense of fashion/style and control. Maintaining a low body weight is perceived by others as a signal of control and self-restraint. Like it or not (and more often that not it's not true,) but people still believe that a skinny person has more self-control than an overweight person.

Let me play the devil's advocate here for a moment Saul: Didn't you just this week advice Charlie to stay thin, because that was what others/men found attractive? Isn't it a tad bit hypocritical of you to be outraged by the fashion industry that survive on that very idea, when you advocate it yourself? 

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08 Oct 2009 09:38 PM  

Is that how she really looks? No airbrushing? Wow, she is extremely thin. Not that I have anything against lean and thinner shaped women...but she seems malnourished.

That is so true, Psyko. I would say men like women with some curves (generally speaking of course). I wonder why these fashion designers don't get models that represent all shapes of women?

I read somewhere (I forget where exactly) that designers like models that have virtually no curves so the clothing is the main focus. Almost like a mannequin that moves. It comes across less sexual and more about the fashion statement.

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08 Oct 2009 09:43 PM  

I find a woman that thin as unappealing as a woman who is morbidly obese. I hope I'm not alone in saying that no one finds a Holocaust victim sexy.

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08 Oct 2009 11:39 PM  

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09 Oct 2009 01:47 AM  
Let me play the devil's advocate here for a moment Saul: Didn't you just this week advice Charlie to stay thin, because that was what others/men found attractive? Isn't it a tad bit hypocritical of you to be outraged by the fashion industry that survive on that very idea, when you advocate it yourself?


I think I'm being miss quoted And when I told that to charlie, I also added that "I didn't make the rules". I guess I should have explained that being fit was most important and being thin is often a byproduct of that. I am an intellectual and after reading Aristotle I realized that the life of the mind wasn't everything. People should have a healthy physical balance about them too. From that balance and achievement many are able to start the process of having a better self esteem, get in the habit of seeing success after long term suffering.

But it is self defeating, men like thin girls but not anything like this.
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09 Oct 2009 01:48 AM  
Your new scent: Buchenwald, by Calvin Klein...


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09 Oct 2009 09:55 AM  
This topic can easily irritate me, so I think I have to stay off it. I deal with you girls' bodily insecurities every day because they think that they have to be thin and don't succeed. These girls are normal weight but they don't look like airbrushed, retouched supermodels so they have low self esteem.

This is what you said to Charlie, Saul: "Let me give general advice:

1. Stay physically fit. Unfortunately people equate looks and physical beauty with competence and value. This helps with opposite sex and with work too. People will listen more to what you have to say if you are thin."

So, I didn't really misquote you did I?

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09 Oct 2009 12:12 PM  
Posted By Psyko on 09 Oct 2009 08:55 AM
 I deal with you girls' bodily insecurities every day because they think that they have to be thin


I meant young girl's insecurities and I also meant to say that I deal with it at work. There, my last post in this thread

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12 Oct 2009 07:12 PM  
wow buchenwald though thats uhhhh.. i mean I see where you were going with it but my jaw is still on the floor
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18 Oct 2009 09:12 PM  
I'm chiming in a bit late.

That girl looks unhealthy. I've been thin most of my life. But I've also been over weight and even under weight.

Healthy is the key - some muscle tone and the correct BMI is what really matters.

But ads like the one posted scare the daylights out of me, since young girls and even adult women think that is how they should look. And I'm sure she is not physically fit.
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19 Oct 2009 11:48 AM  
The BMI is a load of crap tbh. >.> It was a scale to see the average height/weight of people in some european country and was never meant to be a scale of what you should or shouldn't weigh at a particular height. It doesn't take muscle mass into account and assumes that everyone of a certain height should have the same build.... HA!

Expectation of body image is nothing new...there have always been questionable ideals of attractiveness in every society and insane approaches to meeting them. In China, women would break their feet so they'd be smaller, because dainty feet were considered attractive. When corsets were standard undergarments, they'd be tight enough to rearrange internal organs around the waist area to make it smaller...and some women went so far as to remove ribs. As a lesser example, shaving of the legs and underarms....it serves no real purpose beyond the superficially cosmetic, yet there are more hair removal products for women than hair restoration products for men...and really, a head full of hair at least serves the purpose of keeping the scalp warm.

A religious alteration of a man's body intended to prevent masturbation (for what little good it does there) is standard medical procedure for newborns....with shallow reasoning that equates to nothing but laziness and appearance. Forgive me for not buying the "it's easier to keep clean" or "he'll get made fun of in gym class" arguments as substancial enough to make unnecessary surgery and mutilation of a child sound like a good idea.

It's just human nature to try to make a culturally universal idea of beauty....and it certainly doesn't hurt that the people who promote the image stand to make a good deal of money on products meant to aid in the transformation into that ideal. But even before that, I think it was more of a smug satisfaction in creating and lording the superiority of the imagined ideal over others...and watching as they struggled to mimic it...the same way stuck-up, spoiled rich girls do now.
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26 Oct 2009 04:14 AM  
With the percentage of people that are overweight in America, I don't know if being overly concerned about one's body is really that much of a national pandemic anymore. I'll admit, in high school I struggled with self-esteem issues, and as a result, I ended up half-starving myself to the point of losing about 50 pounds in 4 months. As my self image improved, I began packing on the pounds again. Slowly, I pretty much gained all of the weight back (albeit more of that weight is muscle). Now, I am determined to get into the best possible fitness I can. However, I am going about it in the safest ways I know how. I workout pretty much daily (unemployed - it gets me out of the house), try to eat as healthy as I can, and take a few supplements (protein, multivitamin, glucosamine/chondroitin for my joints, and a pre-workout supplement). So far, I'm very happy with my progress, and it has become a hobby for me to pursue. I wish all my friends and family would too, because the benefits to eating right and exercise are invaluable.

There are people out there who take the image thing too far. I know guys who take the bodybuilder thing too far. I stumbled upon a message board, which included a section devoted toward steroid usage. These aren't stupid guys - they turn bodybuilding into a science and are very well informed - yet they still will inject harmful substances into their body and probably do a lot of other things that hurt their health.

Personally, there are a lot of factors contributing to a girl's attractiveness. Fitness helps, but is not a deal breaker, I've found plenty of girls attractive who were probably overweight or pretty close. Anything too fat or too skinny is a turn off. Really, most of a girl's attractiveness comes from her face, which you're pretty much born with (plastic surgery is not attractive).

Right now, it seems like people are flocking to better lifestyles in droves. Vitamin stores, health food grocery stores, and gyms have been popping up like crazy around here. I hope that if women are going to be obsessive about being thin that they'd go for the fitness route:
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31 Oct 2009 01:28 PM  
I consider myself skinny (my waist is about the same size as my head, which really worries me sometimes), but I'm also very short (4'9).

The ad posted scares me. I'm like okay, a size 00 can be healthy if your overall frame is petite, but most models are like 5'8 or taller, and they sure as heck can't pull that look off.

Being overweight used to mean that you were wealthy and had a lot to eat. With a surplus of food now, it doesn't carry the same connotation-- it now implies overall unhealthiness and poor nutrition 'cause junk food is actually cheaper than fresh produce.

But anyway. It's all about the individual's health. What works for one person won't work for someone else of a different frame and build.
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01 Nov 2009 11:48 PM  

I agree - I like girls, not scarecrows

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10 Jan 2011 08:52 PM  
She hardly even looks like a woman. Curves are nice, they're not something to be feared. I've never understood the high-fashion nonsense. Designers seem to have no clue what they're doing.
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10 Jan 2011 09:03 PM  
It's definitely photoshopped. The waist is impossibly small--smaller than her head, even. It doesn't even look proportionate.
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