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| 02 Dec 2010 01:58 AM |
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The new wikileaks revelations. Do you think it is good, bad (sure is ugly) or are you indifferent? |
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| 02 Dec 2010 09:32 AM |
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Please, do fill us in on where we can get this information? http://wikileaks.org/ is not a good answer |
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| 02 Dec 2010 10:14 AM |
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I don't know if they're good or bad, but Ive really enjoyed reading them. It must be an international studies nerd thing. |
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| 02 Dec 2010 10:42 AM |
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http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/ don't know of any new breaking leaks that has had the political world in a spin other than this one Rogarn. |
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| 02 Dec 2010 11:43 AM |
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The thing that I would like to emphasize the most about the wikileaks revelations is the obvious veracity of the materials. CNN said that this has been a particularly tough week for American diplomacy, and that it will take a long time to rebuild trust. I do not like how the leaks identified many individuals who are now endangered, this was unnecessary. However, we need to look at the bigger picture. The people of the world have been given information that will enable them to understand what is actually going on behind all of the political and diplomatic blathering, which will enable them to make better decisions in coming elections, which will cause the country to have better policy. The only reason to be afraid of the truth, like many in the U.S. government clearly are, is if the truth is damaging. I just hope that the United States takes this opportunity to rebuild their diplomatic and political relations on truth. It makes us a better example for the rest of the world. |
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| 02 Dec 2010 01:23 PM |
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It is somewhat important for the US to be trusted with secrets. This could definitely put into question whether or not other countries will be able to share confidential information and expect it to stay confidential. In addition, some of the candid language could seriously hurt relationships with cultures that are centered around politeness and social niceties. >.> Many cultures have adapted a -shrug- so what? style....accepting the truth as it is and anything else is just a nice sugar coating. I guess you'd have to look at it in terms of that other thread regarding type oriented nations. The United States is a gritty ESTJ country - work hard, get down to business. Blunt honesty is kind of respected if it's in the context of getting things done. But for an INFJ country, that kind of harsh language is abrasive and threatening....who could you offend? There are traditions and expectations.
I can't say I blame wikilinks, though. If the most important thing to you is getting the truth out there, then that's what you have to do. I don't believe they did anything illegal or unethical....as long as all of the leaked information was accurately and unobjectively released.
In the end, it may just be a good idea to be as diplomatic with writing you expect to remain private as you do with what is going to be public. You can never guarantee it won't ever be seen by someone other than who it's intended for....and a little bit of tact isn't a bad thing when describing someone....unless you intend to send them a hateful letter....which usually is a bad idea anyway. >< |
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| 07 Dec 2010 06:59 PM |
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/12/03/wikileaks.assange.qanda/index.html
The founder of wikileaks answering questions from the public. I found it fascinating. |
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| 08 Dec 2010 05:22 AM |
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Well, I think that it made the rest of the world look like jerks or worse. We are reading the private thoughts of our diplomats and they really dont think highly of their global counterparts. If anything I think all of the embarrassing info coming out on North Korea, Iran, Africa et al will build the cause against them in the press. Nothing disinfects like sunshine.
Also, it uncovered abuses by our Federal Government. As someone who is skeptical of all concentrated power I wasn't surprised. |
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| 09 Dec 2010 01:06 PM |
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Something about this just doesn't fit right for me, my intuition is telling me that there is more to these "leaks" than meets the eye. |
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| 09 Dec 2010 04:38 PM |
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How so? |
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| 10 Dec 2010 12:32 AM |
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Well it seems to me to be a French Drop. |
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| 10 Dec 2010 02:18 AM |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_drop
^Is this a french drop?
If so, then, again, how so? |
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| 10 Dec 2010 06:55 AM |
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^Thats the one
Okay here is why I think something about this isn't right. Firstly here you have tens of thousands of "confidential" and "not for foreign eyes" documents out there for the world to see. Now you have this wishy washy attempts to remove wikileaks domain providers, lets be honest if the US wanted to stop the website they can easily using technology, and where it gets interesting is that now Anonymous are attacking Visa, PayPal and other financial institutions and any industry it sees as in cahoots with stopping this. Now what we have here is a security problem for the government and industry.
Solution http://www.internet2.edu/
It sure has an interesing members list.
Not saying it so, it is merely an obsevation |
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| 10 Dec 2010 03:44 PM |
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I researched the internet 2 thing, and while it is fascinating, I'm not quite certain why it is relevant to wikileaks. My guess is that with a new internet they would be able to control everything, and that wikileaks would give them the excuse to do so... Is that why you put it there? |
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| 10 Dec 2010 04:04 PM |
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| 11 Dec 2010 02:14 AM |
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Interesting theory... I think that INTJs are consummate conspiracy theorists. Are you simply making waves, or are you checking the opposing INTJ conspirators??? It's so hard for me to tell because it's outside of my regular realm of thought. But I've learned enough from the world to at least consider your evil mastermind possibility. Hmmm....
Well, in any event, there are some shiny thingys that require my immediate attention! |
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| 11 Dec 2010 03:05 AM |
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Hahaha Like I said it's just an observation
Maxims of Law
-He who questions well learns well
-Let him who wishes to be deceived, be deceived
Now the question is if someone like me can think of this don't you think someone who is evil and has power might have done so already? |
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| 19 Dec 2010 02:39 AM |
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First time I've had tons of time free in a long time, so I went and watched the videos, stripes. They were very interesting, and (I am pretty well versed in computers) I agree to much in those videos. What I want to know is how would we be able to fight back against these corporations. The fact that wikileaks was able to be driven off the internet for hours at a time demonstrates the fact that the internet is NOT free (in the sense of liberty, not money, although it isn't even in the money sense); however, they were driven off servers controlled by corporations (they signed a contract giving these corporations the legal ability to do whatever they wanted to wikileaks). The internet neutrality laws are the most important thing facing our nation in the realm of the internet. It is essential that internet providers not be able to legally restrict the speed of service to a certain site if they aren't paid, because it means that they have the power to completely prevent access to a site if they choose to do so. If this were tied into government censorship of the internet, dissent would be unable to be viewed.. Frankly, I don't think what you're implying is a conspiracy theory, as it is supported by much evidence. I have no idea how this censorship could be prevented, if the government really wanted to institute it. Revolution? Is the "free" internet really that important? Who knows...  !!!! is pretty much all I have to say. |
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| 19 Dec 2010 02:50 AM |
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Also, those microchips towards the end of the modern marvels video could quite easily be construed as the mark of the beast... |
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