Trance City  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: 21 Relationship: Single and staying that way. IM:
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| 13 Mar 2011 06:08 PM |
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What a friend said earlier today...
Friend: My prayers go out to Japan but I am not impressed by anyone's concern for Japan right now. You're heartbroken over something that happened on the other side of the world but don't care about terrible things that happen down the street? Yeah right. I'm not impressed.
My question: Agree or disagree? |
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TheJan  MBTI: COOL Age/Sex: 22/m Relationship: Wouldn't you like to know... IM:
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| 13 Mar 2011 06:30 PM |
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Japan sure has a radiant future. *sarcasm off* The thing that bugs me the most is that many people do not know this: Every time a bolt strikes the earth, radio-waves are emitted which are resonant to the earth. Those radio-waves then resonate with the earth and make it oscillate. That means more movement of the tectonic plates, which means more earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. If the troposphere (where the weather is made) is getting hotter, more thunderstorms happen, which means that more lighting bolts happen to strike the earth. Which means that in the future, there will be more earthquakes, because our planets' atmosphere is getting hotter. I neither agree nor i don't agree. I think you must be concerned about what you can change. I cannot change that this earthquake happened. I can not change that Japanese built that many nuclear plants. But i can for example eat less meat - the production of meat causes a lot of pollution, which causes the earth to get hotter, which in the end causes more earthquakes to happen. Also... i would not die for a pig, a pig doesn't necessarily have to die for me. And i sure as hell don't want to get slaughtered. But i really hope the Japaneses get out of this alright. I truly hope so. Heartbroken... is a very strong word. I would not say i am heartbroken. I am more... concerned about the future of those people. |
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freeeekyyy  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: 26/M Relationship: IM:
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| 13 Mar 2011 09:49 PM |
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Posted By Trance City on 13 Mar 2011 05:08 PM
What a friend said earlier today...
Friend: My prayers go out to Japan but I am not impressed by anyone's concern for Japan right now. You're heartbroken over something that happened on the other side of the world but don't care about terrible things that happen down the street? Yeah right. I'm not impressed.
My question: Agree or disagree?
I somewhat agree, because people often do overlook what happens in their own back yard, but not really. It's kind of like saying, "I'm not impressed by anyone's concern over the murder of Bob right now. You're heartbroken over something that happened to a man who isn't even alive anymore. Why not show some more concern over the kids down the street who get scraped knees every day? Yeah right. I'm not impressed.
The severity of the damage matters. The earthquake in Japan was a big one. People have died and buildings have been razed. Much of what we see daily in the US certainly shouldn't be ignored, but it's simply not as big of a deal. That's reality. |
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PurpleGiraffe  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: 28/F Relationship: Jirafa sola IM:
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| 14 Mar 2011 10:31 AM |
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Let's put this in metaphorical terms:
Man 1's house is on fire
Man 2 is slowly dying of starvation.
Are both of these important? Yes, but which is more important at this given moment? Obviously Step 1 should be to contain the fire in Man 1's house. Then once that is done we would attempt to find food for Man 2. It would be foolish to rally on about those who care to contain the fire in Man 1's house because we have been ignoring Man 2s starvation. Both are important, but one has more imperative to be worked on right now because more harm can come from not working on Man 1's problem first. For example, he could 1.) completely lose his house and be without shelter or 2.) the fire could spread to the houses that surround it and cause more damage. As in Japan, what if all of the nuclear reactors fail? It's not like that radiation just goes away. It permeates the soil, water, air, and every living creature around it. Then, once it hits the air, it travels, causing damage somewhere else.
Are there people who don't care about either Man 1 or Man 2 but only care about the situation if they are either Man 1 or Man 2? Yes, but I don't necessarily agree that because one shows that they care about what happened in Japan that they do not necessarily care about the poor children down the street.
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alysaria  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: Relationship: IM: Empress of Random Founding Member
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| 14 Mar 2011 12:49 PM |
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A lot of things make me heartbroken. I cried when I saw the bus accident in NY. There was a couple that got into a car accident in Dec leaving a holiday party....the husband died on impact, the wife wandered away into the snow barefoot and froze to death almost a mile away. I cried over that too. Caring about something that may not directly affect you doesn't magically limit your ability to care for something closer to home. People have an infinite ability for caring. |
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TheJan  MBTI: COOL Age/Sex: 22/m Relationship: Wouldn't you like to know... IM:
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| 14 Mar 2011 03:31 PM |
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That is not to say i don't care about it. I care greatly about it - but i would not cry over something like this. I think it is better to come up with some way i can help in this scenario, or prevent accidents from happening again or something like that. I feel lots better when i know i have done something to better the situation, even if it is just a tiny little thing. I know i don't have to justify myself. It just was important to me that you knew that. I had to get that out. |
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optimaler  MBTI: INTJ (1w9) Age/Sex: 24/M Relationship: There are mostly evil things, but some good things IM:
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| 14 Mar 2011 10:16 PM |
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People have different degrees of compassion. It's easier for some people to empathize and act when something becomes popular or critically relevant. For other's, the slightest event trips their empathy circuits and compels them to act. Some people have no empathy at all (like myself) and are branded as apathetic. As a species, if we didn't have these different levels of empathy or compassion, any kind of crisis would cripple us because the people who keep things running would be spending time doing other things. To some people ignorance over these kinds of things can be offensive because they project their empathy on other people and expect a similar response, when really the diversity of opinion and thought allows us to accomplish much more to assist the people in need than otherwise. |
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Nick  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: M/34 Relationship: IM:
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| 15 Mar 2011 02:08 AM |
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The Japanese tragedy is on such a scale that you can't be unsympathetic to it. The earthquake was 8000 times more powerful than the one in Christchurch, 600 million times more powerful than the atom bomb of Hiroshima, and it actually moved the whole northeast of Japan 2.4 metres closer to America. 10,000 presumed dead. 19 aftershocks as big or bigger than the Christchurch earthquake. And then there's nuclear radiation problem... any kind of crisis would cripple us because the people who keep things running would be spending time doing other things. True. It's unhealthy to take on the weight of the world. But at the other end of the spectrum is the person who's only focused on their immediate interests, where they can't do much to better this world. And neither are they able to gain a proper insight into the ways of the world. really the diversity of opinion and thought allows us to accomplish much more to assist the people in need than otherwise. Agreed. All personality types have strengths and weaknesses. And the world is better for it. The challenge though to the NT is to have more empathy, whilst the challenge to the NF is to apply more rationale etc to the situation. This is in fact how the mbti theory puts it with the development of our tertiary function. At around the ages of 20 - 35, ENFP's gain rationale (Te) as our tertiary function, while INTJ's gain empathy (Fi) as their tertiary function. Really, the whole thing comes down to loving others as yourself (as Jesus put it). If you put yourself before others, then naturally you are going to have less concern for others, and less concern again for others you aren't close to. But if you love others as yourself, then naturally you are going to have more concern. |
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Lauren  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: 57/F Relationship: Married IM:
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| 15 Mar 2011 05:18 PM |
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I have to feel that if I were enduring some disaster like the one in Japan I would be in favor of more people who, nonempathetically and unemotionally, got busy doing something to help and fewer people impotently sobbing into their mocha lattes. I'm just saying, helpful actions > sympathy in a crisis. Later on, when overcoming the PTSD, sympathetic, caring people might be more helpful, but for now, three cheers for the doers! |
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Rogarn  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: M 19 Relationship: banned from loving IM: shadowspirit1234
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| 15 Mar 2011 07:05 PM |
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so Japan.... what's shakin'? |
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Nick  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: M/34 Relationship: IM:
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| 15 Mar 2011 08:20 PM |
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Ahh... nothing much... just the whole country.
Coincidentally, a mate of mine started a cafe in Tokyo recently. It was a bit shaky at first, now people are flooding in. The place is also starting to develop a radiating glow... ahh... the inappropriate jokes... [I'm still feeling sympathetic, don't get me wrong]
@Lauren- great to have you on the forum! I really appreciate having mature members on board. Yes, go the doers! Here's some interesting facts about ENFP's (from http://www.discoveryourpersonality.com/abouttypes.html)
- With ESTJs, had highest total coping resources of all the types.
- Ranked 1st of all 16 types in using social and emotional coping resources and 2nd in using cognitive resources.
- In national sample, ranked lowest in coping with stress by "Developing physical symptoms." [EDIT: does this mean that we are too chillaxed to develop physical symptoms?]
I would say that to achieve the above, we'd need to have a healthy Te tertiary function. This seems to suggest we'd do ok in a crisis.
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TheJan  MBTI: COOL Age/Sex: 22/m Relationship: Wouldn't you like to know... IM:
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| 16 Mar 2011 04:28 AM |
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so Japan.... what's shakin'? Haha, i laughed  So much NT humor. Go doers! |
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Trance City  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: 21 Relationship: Single and staying that way. IM:
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| 16 Mar 2011 09:39 AM |
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I fail to see how any of this is funny. Ingrates. Be thankful that it's not you. |
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Sakari  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: Female Relationship: Single IM: sakariparadox Cutest ENFP Ninja
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| 16 Mar 2011 11:45 AM |
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I would like to point out, however, that praying can be taken as concern without much action, so it seems like your friend is doing the same thing as others who are concerned but not doing anything except expressing sympathy. Normally, I would say text "Red Cross" to 90999 to donate $10, but the major phone companies are delaying donations. Here's a petition with more info: http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-the-delay-on-donations-to-japan-2 I have a lot of links, but it's hard to post with a mobile phone, so I will be back later when I have access to a computer. Red Cross is taking donations, as are Doctors Without Borders. If you can't donate money, there are a lot of other ways you can get involved--spreading the word ,donating clothes, giving blood, etc. |
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Trance City  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: 21 Relationship: Single and staying that way. IM:
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| 16 Mar 2011 12:01 PM |
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I would like to point out, however, that praying can be taken as concern without much action...
First of all, to pray is an action. Surely I don't need to break that statement down any further. Secondly, I don't see where anybody disrespected your beliefs by saying they aren't valid in one manner or another. Why you see the need to try belittle the beliefs of others is beyond me.
so it seems like your friend is doing the same thing as others who are concerned but not doing anything except expressing sympathy.
To correct your notion, he prays because he believes the best action he can take is to pray. Just as a side note, he's donated his emergency savings. For you to assume that prayer is the only action he's taken makes you, without question, seem quick to judge and persecute. I would suggest thinking before taking action, dear. |
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optimaler  MBTI: INTJ (1w9) Age/Sex: 24/M Relationship: There are mostly evil things, but some good things IM:
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| 16 Mar 2011 12:35 PM |
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Whoa. Everybody calm down. No need to start picking sides and mudslinging. To each their own beliefs. |
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Trance City  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: 21 Relationship: Single and staying that way. IM:
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| 16 Mar 2011 12:43 PM |
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To cast the first stone isn't usually my style. To cast it back, however, is. Lol... I'm a pretty calm person, but don't ever take a swipe at me and expect me not to swipe back To each, his/her own beliefs... indeed ^.^ |
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Sakari  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: Female Relationship: Single IM: sakariparadox Cutest ENFP Ninja
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| 16 Mar 2011 12:44 PM |
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I'm sorry that you see the need to respond so defensively. I said "can be," and did not condemn him for it. I simply expressed an opinion based upon the evidence you presented. You said nothing about what he had done besides pray, so I'm not sure how I am in the wrong for assuming so. Based on my experience, people who have the option of prayer take that route instead of doing something that, to me, will have more benefit. I apologize to your friend for assuming the same of him. Breathing is also an action, but unfortunately, doesn't do anything to help Japan. Nor does typing about how you're thinking of Japan, even though it's technically an action. I find it a little tiresome that I have to clarify the difference for you. I was not belittling prayer. I respect people's need for it in that they use it to cope and seek relief, but I disbelieve in its ability to work miracles. I fail to see how expressing this counts as belittling one's worship. In order to have a conversation on the foundation of belief, Trance City, I must gently suggest you try to understand the other angle before overreacting. I sincerely apologize for any misunderstanding about whether or not I was belittling one's faith, because I did not intend it. |
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Trance City  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: 21 Relationship: Single and staying that way. IM:
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| 16 Mar 2011 12:50 PM |
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There was nothing to clarify... not to me. The only thing you've clarified is that you are not moderator material. This is the last you will hear of Trance City. I have no desire to go back and forth with a very misinformed moderator who should be demoted immediately. Good day to all, and to all a very merry year of posting your worthless thoughts on a forum since you have nothing better to do with your life. Saul, deactive me immediately, please. |
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optimaler  MBTI: INTJ (1w9) Age/Sex: 24/M Relationship: There are mostly evil things, but some good things IM:
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| 16 Mar 2011 01:08 PM |
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Tenso. |
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