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10 Nov 2009 07:02 AM  
I CANNOT STAND POLITICAL PARTIES

It gets in the way of reason.

I am gonna start my own political party that had no theory about how the government should work.

But so I could vote in the primaries I registered as a democrat.
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06 Dec 2009 07:50 AM  

I'm utterly amazed that so many of you guys are libertarian-leaning. I would suspect that's more of the biased sample (internet people) rather than ENFPs just naturally being wise, wonderfully correct people, but it's certainly encouraging for me. I would've guessed that socially liberal/fiscally conservative people in the US were mostly NTs with an independent streak; you guys may have shattered my hypothesis.

I'm also curious: how many of you read Hit 'n' Run?

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06 Dec 2009 08:58 AM  

Oh dear, it's a soapbox Sunday morning  I'm with Alysaria, I used to be Republican only because I was raised in the Deep South believing all else was EVIL lol.  How ironic is that?  Then I was Libertarian because I totally agree with fair tax and the least amount of dependence on the Government for healthcare, welfare, etc... (think Ron Paul, whom I do adore), now after seeing this last election, I will never get involved with it again, ever.  I cannot stand the corruption, greed and immorality of Washington and our nation at the moment, ahhh reminiscent of Rome in the good ol' days.  Nancy Peolsi...don't get me started, and where the HELL did she come from anyway? She's like Satan in carnate. Ughhh sick   If there are any true and real politicians in Washington who aren't there for self-serving reasons, would they please stand up? 

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16 Dec 2009 12:04 AM  
I. Thought. My. Soul. Would. Rise. And. Fly.

Erm, enough with the spirituals, self.

But seriously THRILLED by all of the libertarians! I'm all for helping others, but that should be based in personal initiative, not government policy.
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16 Dec 2009 03:49 PM  
Ron Paul is my hero. Yes really.
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19 Jan 2010 08:19 PM  

I firmly support and lay my life down for Blagojevich .

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19 Jan 2010 11:30 PM  
Blago? lol.
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20 Jan 2010 07:55 AM  
Was meant to be humerous >.>. Independent, but I lean right.
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22 Jan 2010 05:46 PM  
Why are so many ENFPs librarians? Is it an affinity to books?

I am a Dem; used to be Republican until the Clinton impeachment and I realized they were just full of shit and out to fight tooth and nail for power, without caring about actually running the country (which the Congress under Bush suggested is correct).

I would be a Libertarian, but how practical is that? They are going nowhere -- the US is permanently mired in a 2 party system. Without a party, a candidate is almost nothing. At least Dems have a heart.

I would say our system is pretty well broken. What is the difference between a bribe and a campaign contribution?
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26 Sep 2010 12:02 AM  
I'm actually a Socialist Democrat leaning towards pure socialism. I'm expecting a tidal wave of backlash for this based on the apparently huge (possibly biased, but still) percentage of ENFPs here who are Libertarians. I have a good friend who is a libertarian. I completely disagree with him. Why? Because I think Libertarian ideology is based purely on selfishness. Feel free to combat this theory, I am curious what your reasons are.
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26 Sep 2010 04:55 PM  
i dislike all forms of politics because it is just bullshitting on a vast scale. Definitely a libertarian here (and moving towards anarchist), do not like other people deciding what is best for me.

birdsall i disagree with you because i think that socialism is based on selfishness, not libertariansim (however i respect your opinion, and so dont take this as me trying to change you!). The underlying premise of socialism is that i deserve to be given things even if i dont work for it, or contribute to society in any way, and that a central authority knows better than the individual in deciding who deserves what. Hence you have this block of people who are selfishly taking from others, and those who work hard have their productivity stolen from them in order to fund those selfish souls. It creates a lack of personal responsibility, and removes incentives for people to work hard and to the best of their ability.

Thats why i dislike govt in general, someone has the ability to steal from me in order to give to someone else. I think thats crap; i would rather give back to my community in ways that i believe will be of the most benefit. I dont see that as being selfish, i just see that as part of self-determination and personal responsibility. hence i hate it when half my money is taken from me for a pack of idiots (govt) to waste on schemes to buy votes so they can get richer.
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26 Sep 2010 10:39 PM  

@zvezdar- Interesting opinions. To me, socialism represents a system where the ridiculously rich (only the ones who are getting even richer) are taxed in order to help raise the poor up to the level of the middle class. I know many poor people. I'm middle class myself. I work at a Wendy's with a bunch of people who come from the "bad sides of town". As a whole, people like my fellow employees are the people who would be benefiting from socialism the most. They would be able to buy better houses, move to the better areas of town, and have many new opportunities. Sure, there are individuals who won't contribute at all to society, but people like that have always existed. The important thing is that we give the people who NEED an opportunity for a better life that opportunity. Any system can be misused. To use that as a case against a specific system is hypocritical. We need to be optimistic, not pessimistic, and give a little of our own so the people who have little can have the opportunity to have much more. Also, sure, you have the opportunity to give to whomever you want in our system, but do you? More importantly, would most? To me, it seems like government sponsored, populace sponsored charity, even if it is forced.


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26 Sep 2010 11:20 PM  
Ha, each party is two sides of the same coin. The same things will be done regardless of the face they put in office. Our votes don't even count.
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26 Sep 2010 11:23 PM  
Yeah i see you point of view, in fact i had that point of view when i was younger, i just look at it from the other side of the coin nowdays. Those ridiculously rich provide a lot of jobs for people, and if the entrapreneurs werent around a lot of those jobs wouldnt exist and our stdards of living would be lower. High taxes on the rich has that effect; it discourages entrapreneurs and risk taking and stifles development.

My parents are from a socialist/communist country and the opportunities there were non-existant. It didnt matter how hard you worked, you couldnt really get ahead. unless you were corrupt. When they moved to a capitalist/democratic country all of a sudden their hard work could pay and they could go from arriving in a foreign land with just a suitcase to owning their own home and funding their own retirement as well as raising their children properly. That to me is the beauty of the capitalist system, that you can work hard and prosper even without an education. Hell even without having a proper grasp of the language. That gave me the opportunity to get an education and do something with my life, an opportunity i might not have had otherwise. My family definitely isnt 'rich'.

Giving people money wont necessarily mean they can buy better houses or move to better areas. All prices would go up, the standard of living wouldnt be any better. It would just make people more 'equal' on an overall lower standard of living. I also know many poor people and the bigger the handouts they get the worse it is for them, because they lose any work ethic they had and their children grow up in that environment. Handouts and monetary charity actually have the opposite effect on most people than intended. When a sense of entitlement sets in it is very destructive, and people lose their sense of worth as well as their ambition and drive.

Absolutely, i regularly donate to charity and i have donated my time to work with community groups etc. The people i know are more likely to give their time and money when they are not forced.

At the end of the day the debate is kind of moot, as no form of government can last over the long term without decay, revolution and a new start. thats the way it has always been and will always be. Both capitalism and socialism eventually lead to a consolidation of power into a few hands, at which point the govt needs to be brought down and we start again.
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26 Sep 2010 11:24 PM  
Hazel: totally agree, voting is just a farce so people can seem like they have some kind of say
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27 Sep 2010 12:12 AM  
I sincerely hope I never become disillusioned with our government like you guys... this is kinda depressing lol.
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27 Sep 2010 10:36 AM  
Our government is highly inefficient. Currently, both of the major parties are accomplishing nothing for the greater good of the country. Both need to be wiped clean.
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27 Sep 2010 10:49 AM  
With all do respect, my good sallsa friend, we're not the ones who are disillusioned. As far as it being depressing... well, ignorance is bliss, isn't it? ;]
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28 Sep 2010 09:07 PM  
@Bird

I applaud your thinking. I am glad what you want is what is best for society. There are so many reasons why to be against colectivism. What I would say is that it took me a decade of research and understanding of history to come where I have. The more I educate myself of history and the financial markets the worse interventions appear.

I can give you a hundred reasons and a hundred books, but I fear that you need to experience and travel first.

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28 Sep 2010 09:17 PM  
I sincerely hope I never become disillusioned with our government like you guys.


Very sweet. Unfortunately you've been educated by the government schools (and SJs) to trust institutions, power, title and hierarchy. When you get to university you will be taught by Ns and hopefully taught to question everything.
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