aevi23 
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| 18 Jul 2011 05:08 PM |
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neocron
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| 19 Jul 2011 03:22 PM |
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I don't know. I think a good crash and burn might be required. And she for sure would accelerate that process.
In my eyes she is an educated, intuitive, intelligent version of Sarah Palin. Narrow minded, hateful, and ignorant. A "shadow caster", projecting her own least desirable traits onto others. She sees all this evil in the world because these evils are a part of the makeup of her psyche.
It's not an act with her. She doesn't play a role. If she is, she's downplaying the side of herself that I find quite destructive and dangerous.. Seriously, her in power, I'd see as the final blow and death knell to what is left of the American middle class.
I understand finding her scary, but, as I said, sometimes in order for things to really change, you need to hit rock bottom, first. |
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alysaria
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| 19 Jul 2011 04:32 PM |
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Frankly I think her husband will snap under all of the pressure and come running out of the closet at full speed....and his fabulous flaming glory will light her dreams on fire....and she'll slink away to restore her pride and probably try to torture him back into heterosexuality.
>.> Or I could just have a strong sense of the dramatic. Either way, I'm not voting for her. I'd write in Stephen Colbert first. |
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caprice
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| 20 Jul 2011 09:19 PM |
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Thank you @aevi23 for starting a conversational thread which does not revolve around type! I guess I've grown a bit tired of type related observations etc....
@neocron I get what you are saying but at what cost? That's the same sort of mentality that I consoled myself with after Bush 2, but our country's assets were plundered, the middle class was diminished to the point that it's more the "under" class, and we've seen nothing but a rise in fascist rhetoric. Are you honestly prepared to live in a Tea Party country? It honestly chills me to the bone to think that people will just wait a little longer until others come to their right minds. It'll be too late at that point. Read some history books or novels depicting this sort of crisis of time. The Tea Party is not about democracy. They are about forcing their religious and entitled (moneyed) agenda, and your rights do not read into their agenda. They don't give a shit about rights, they are the entitled based on just another rehashing of Manifest Destiny.
I consider Michele Bachmann to be evil, and I do not throw that term around lightly and it's rare that I use it at all. She's mastered the art of misinformation, i.e. propaganda (if you say it on national television enough times, people will believe it even if it's a complete misrepresentation of the facts). She is not a 'reasoned thinker," she's a manipulative, calculating thinker, and I would with complete sincerity and conviction, liken her to someone like Hitler. She is dangerous. I don't know where she might go with her power, but my observations and experience studying historical figures combined with my intuition tells me that it would be a potentially catastrophic blow to our idea of democracy and free will.
And from someone living in Minnesota, I apologize (though she does not represent my district) on behalf of Minnesotans and human kind.
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PurpleGiraffe
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| 21 Jul 2011 08:36 AM |
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Bachmann is very scary. There is something to her I haven't quite figured out. She can't possibly be the person she portrays herself to be.
"That's why her hair is so big... It's full of secrets." - Mean Girls |
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neocron
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| 21 Jul 2011 10:00 AM |
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@caprice
It's going to get much, much, much worse before there is a chance of it getting better. The system itself is broken. There is no fixing it. It's not only because of politics, a two party system, it has nothing to do with individually held believes. Both democrats and republicans are steering in the same direction of disaster. Knowingly so... because there is nothing else they can do. The local politics seem so small and inconsequential by comparison.
An Infinite growth paradigm is finally meeting finite resources. Everything I have read, I have seen is pointing towards a global disaster without precedence in human history. Human kind, as a whole, has never run out of resources. It has happened before in isolation. The Easter Islands, for example, leading to complete extinction, but never everywhere at once. And that is what is going to happen. Maybe in 20 years. Maybe sooner. There is no recovery from the current crisis. The economic bailouts are inconsequential to the real debt. According to one source it's a 700 trillion dollar card house we are seeing collapsing. There is not enough money to go around to fix that. Throwing several billion down the drain isn't going to make a difference one way or another.
I belief it is merely the tip of the iceberg of debt and and one of several infinite growth economic models hitting the ceiling of population growth and the end of the one finite resource everything, everywhere is running on. Oil. For which there is no alternative. Nothing will ever replace it. Global mass starvation in the western world, massive riots, breakdown of governments as food and water vanish, genocide through greed, and war. The world is going to go through a transition phase into sustainability or society is going to completely collapse. I have hope for a transition. Cuba managed to become self sustaining when it had to, so it CAN be done. But even it is not going to be the end of everything, it's not going to be a kind time for those people who have a hard time adapting to change when everything they take for granted just goes away.
The way I see it, it's inevitable. There is no getting through to people that economic models such as capitalism, that got us this far, must now be abandoned. Not without them seeing, first hand, how everything is falling apart. |
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caprice
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| 22 Jul 2011 12:07 AM |
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That all may be true neocron, but you still have to make a choice in the here and now. There are very different attitudes relating to your pointed and rightful concerns. |
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neocron
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| 22 Jul 2011 06:40 AM |
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I really appreciate your attitude towards politics. It warms my heart to see that you care and have hope. |
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zvezdar
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| 02 Aug 2011 11:20 PM |
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caprice, there's no real choice. They are all just different sides of the same coin, and no matter who you vote in they will all keep spending and destroying the country.
Case in point, any real difference between Bush and Obama? None that i can see, despite the dramatically different rhetoric before the election.
neocron: capitalism was abandoned decades ago. what we have now is various forms of socialism pretty much everywhere in the world. |
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caprice
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| 05 Aug 2011 07:29 PM |
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Bush inherited a surplus, and made the choice to give tax cuts while at the same time, bizarrely, starting an unprovoked war in Iraq costing the US billions of dollars and profiting his connections.
Obama inherited a massive deficit and recession and had to make difficult choices regarding the solvency of key industries in the US that may possibly break the back of the country and throw us into a full blown depression. There is really no comparison as to the choices available at the two different points.
The money is gone now so there is no more to spend, and I would agree that it's a dire situation and there are no great solutions. It comes down the best solution which in my mind is to just let the tax breaks expire.
It's interesting how socialism has now (at least in this country) come to mean bail out for industries and businesses. What an ironic twist. |
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Rogarn
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| 06 Aug 2011 09:35 AM |
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The only way for America to become socialist is a little at a time.
random quote from a politician back 50 years or so
let me give you an example of what I mean. When you pay for internet, you get a certain bandwith(speed of connection) and there you are on the internet. Some companies have started putting a cap on yearly usage. They put it at 200GB. That may seem like a lot, because it is. Only 2% of an internet users will use more then 200GB. So limiting those 2% of people doesn't seem like a big deal. Now, companies are all about profit, and NO company is going to do something that only affects 2% of their customers. What to do? lower the cap to say 150GB. Now they are effecting the top 35% of users. People are used to this idea, and so after a little bit of fighting and struggling, they give in.
All of this is just one example of how something is slowly brought in. In such the same way that internet companies are trying to slowly bring in annual caps, so to is socialism entering America. It happens a little more every day, and we don't even recognize it. |
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BirdsallSa
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| 06 Aug 2011 10:08 AM |
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The Republican rhetoric about socialism is unbelievable. They keep portraying socialism as this monstrosity, just like communism. Communism and socialism are not the same thing. They're not even close. REAL socialism is something I've always supported, and always will. Before socialism is decried, it should first be researched, so it can be properly understood (European socialism is a good example of good, functional socialism). Socialism is not in America, and I find it unlikely that it will be for a long time, if ever. |
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caprice
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| 07 Aug 2011 01:11 AM |
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Here's another point that really bothers me. All of the people that go into public service could obviously make more money elsewhere. It's not that they are lacking in ability or intelligence, they are simply driven to do something helpful for the community and world at large even though that means they are sacrificing income-wise to do so. Why is it so much to ask that the extremely wealthy give back to the community as well. And I'm not buying the job creation benevolence as I don't see it happening in an sort of community or country driven way. It's generally a bottom line mentality which leads to outsourcing jobs overseas, or playing the game of bankruptcy laws, etc... and padding pockets of said wealthy via ridiculous salaries for lame CEOs who don't care about the company as much as their own bank account.
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PurpleGiraffe
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| 08 Aug 2011 10:21 AM |
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Trickle-down economics does NOT work in a social sector economy. Period. The mentality holds that those who are wealthy and are given larger tax breaks will just spend more on their companies and, therefore, their employees will benefit. But most companies aren't run by those who own them, but rather those who, as Caprice pointed out, are simply out to improve their own bottom-line. Therefore, the wealthy just receive more money which they invest most of (or buy a $75,000 car - which doesn't do anything to improve the economy), the company itself receives a larger tax break, which it's bottom-line is improved by shipping the jobs overseas. Therefore, you are left with a larger percentage of unemployed and underemployed workforce and a company that can (and will) pressure against unions, so the workforce is mostly without any power against the corporation.
What we need to do (in my opinion):
1.) Not allow tax breaks for any company with a certain percentage of its workforce overseas (however, this will prove extremely difficult to enforce since our country is so indebted to other countries).
2.) Let the Bush tax cuts expire (and make a $250,000 salary within its own tax bracket, because Republican rhetoric against letting them expire always seems to come back to that number).
3.) Remove ourselves from Iraq and Afghanistan. We can't afford them.
4.) Legalize marijuana and gay-marriage (added tax revenue generation, seriously!)
5.) Ban the use of plastic, single-use bags or charge $.10 for every one used (The amount of petroleum saved through that act alone would be ridiculous).
6.) Keep tax cuts for those making less than ~$100 thousand
7.) Push/enforce laws that allow more freely for union creation
8.) Allow free air-time (up to a certain amount) for anyone running for office. That way fund-raising wouldn't be a factor in campaigning.
9.) Government focus on using renewable resources in specific geographic areas of the countries. You have the ocean? Use off-shore water turbines. You have flat, windy areas? Use wind-turbines. You located near a desert? Use solar power. It's not rocket science.
10.) Free Chipotle for any purple giraffe out there... (just because she deserves it).
I could keep going... (sorry the formatting got all funky)
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Rogarn
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| 08 Aug 2011 04:43 PM |
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10.) Free Chipotle for any purple giraffe out there... (just because she deserves it).
I'm not sure I agree with all of those, but this one I'm totally for.
3 & 4 should be no brainers for all, no matter what your political policies are..
I will go into no more specifics about which ones I agree with and don't cause I know I don't have enough information to be able to form an accurate opinion on what should be done. I know plenty of people would benefit a lot from taking this same stance. |
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zvezdar
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| 08 Aug 2011 06:05 PM |
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uhhh Clinton never ran a surplus, he ran spending through various "intergovernmental holdings" below the bottom line to lake it look like he ran a surplus. Much like how geitner has been raiding the social security trust funds to stay below the debt ceiling.
If you look at the total national debt under Clinton it increased every year. there was no surplus.
i'll keep quiet here on socialism as you guys have a very opposite viewpoint to me (and having worked in the public sector i have a very different view on those workers...people i know get into it because they are perceived to be 'easy' and 'safe' jobs with less work involved, so the $ per hour part of the equation looks very good when compared to the private sector). But i'll repeat that looking at a Democrat vs Republican paradigm is completely unhelpful, they all do exactly the same thing in terms of spending and wars. Think about it, perpetual deficits for decades, and perpetual wars for decades. It doesnt matter who is in power, they play the same game.
All of them need to be booted out if the US is to have any hope of improvement. |
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caprice
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| 08 Aug 2011 09:53 PM |
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Well, I really can't speak to the veracity of that claim (I may look it up, but I'm fairly convinced there will be side biases), but if true would make tax cuts and unprovoked wars yet more baffling.
Honestly my views are not party oriented and I've also worked in the public sector and have issues with inefficiency etc... But my greater issue these days is with the corporate world. It's also negligible as to efficiency though it claims rights to the contrary not evident by bail-outs, bankruptcies, tax-breaks extreme CEO salaries, golden parachutes etc... the present model seems more invested in playing shell games than creating a sustainable company which benefits the US and US citizens.
We probably agree more than disagree honestly. It's a complete mess with more pain to come. |
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caprice
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| 08 Aug 2011 11:52 PM |
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BTW, PurpleGiraffe, kick ass post!!! |
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PurpleGiraffe
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| 09 Aug 2011 02:48 PM |
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Thanks, Caprice! 10.) Free Chipotle for any purple giraffe out there... (just because she deserves it).
I'm not sure I agree with all of those, but this one I'm totally for.
I'm glad we're on the same page with that one. It's my personal favorite of the recommendations. And it wouldn't be necessary to be greedy with a purple giraffe's free Chipotle. Just so long as it's freely offered every now and then, it would be good to save the US economy and all... (and be "deserved").  |
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Load
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| 22 Aug 2011 01:10 PM |
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i thought she was cute, a lot of people didn't like her. she really looks like michele and i like it. a lot of people scare me, some ENFPs scare me a lot! all is well! |
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