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12 Jul 2009 05:46 PM  
What do you think about affirmative action? ENFPs? Correcting past wrongs? or Creating new ones?
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13 Aug 2009 11:22 PM  
Completely against affirmative action/quotas. All decisions should be based upon performance and qualifications. As long as there are multiple people going after a single position you can not eliminate discrimination. Colleges, Employers, etc...should have the ability to select the candidate that best fits their needs and group dynamics.
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15 Aug 2009 05:25 PM  
Here, here! Making a conscious effort to draw attention to the fact that you're preventing discrimination isn't the way to end it. O.O It makes it so that, as a woman, I wouldn't have to even try very hard to get into a male-dominated career...and likewise, certain groups aren't required to do anything but be part of that group to be given priority to meet a quota. If you want something, work for it....and stop trying to drag out prejudices so you can keep milking them for lawsuit money and color it like it's anti-discrimination! -waves fist in anger-
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04 Nov 2009 12:18 AM  
Race quotas were needed and beneficial in the past, however, they no longer are so.

I see no reason to "correct past wrongs" at the time in society when these "offenses" were committed, they were socially acceptable, so they weren't really wrong. When society changes, some laws and feelings change, too. Slavery was once not only acceptable in America, but an every day way of life. It is no longer so. I find the notion that it is our responsibility to make up for the actions of others, or feel guilt for them. Neither I, nor anyone I know has owned slaves (I have ancestory that owned slaves, ancestors who were slaves and ancestors who were Native Americans), and so I see no reason for them to feel guilt, or pay for the actions of their ancestors. I also see no reason to pay the decendants of those who were "wronged (even though it wasn't wrong socially when it happened)" because they were not wronged. They may be socioeconomically set back a bit, but in a capitalist society that doesn't matter as everyone has the same chance to make it big if they work hard enough.
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04 Nov 2009 02:46 AM  

I agree with affirmation action insofar as it tries to rectify *current* imbalances between demographics - if there's inequality between Black and White demographics in terms of university qualifications, there's something wrong, and it should be corrected. Where methods like race quotas and financial recompense go wrong is that they don't involve any actual change. In fact, they're quite an easy way to get around a problem - pay a bit here, let one or two people in here, and the problem "goes away" - fixed - done and dusted. These are never actually long term fixes however, since they don't actually address the underlying social problems that cause the "symptoms" we see in society. If there are a disproportionately small number of Black students in American universities, it isn’t because Black people are “dumb,” or because they are discriminated against, but because social factors (like a strong gang culture?) push them out of earlier education, or discourage them from following tertiary education. The way to solve this then (in the long term) would be to fix the social problems preventing Blacks from entering tertiary education. Rather than lower the bar to allow a quota of Black students to access university level education, local government could look at ways to encourage students through lower levels of the education system so that “enough” Black students are doing well enough to enter university through the same criteria as White students, in the same proportions.

Does that make sense? I kinda haven’t slept for a while and my brain’s capacity for lucid thought and coherent reasoning is decreasing alarmingly… I swear I can feel my mental faculties slipping away even as I type fish

 

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