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| 15 Dec 2010 01:08 AM |
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We've had some recent threads that didn't relate to the central issue to me. We all have different ideas, religions, philosophies, or concepts of God. What I'm interested in is where you see, or feel, the presence of God, if you are at all inclined to feel a presence. If not, a non answer will suffice.
Here is a start: In any act of courage which is a celebration of love. I get teared up whenever I see this happen. |
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| 15 Dec 2010 11:29 AM |
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In me. |
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| 15 Dec 2010 12:04 PM |
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Where do i see God. 1. Random acts of kindness 2. In the eyes of children 3. In happiness and joy 4. Meditation and silence 5. In animals, and nature, all things beautiful 6. In people, places and things 7. In charities, gratitude 8. In suffering, obstacles , difficulties 9. In success and failures 10. In truth and honestly @ Zsych...nice answer  |
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| 15 Dec 2010 12:26 PM |
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Wow Bella!!!! That pretty much says it.  I'll add a couple of examples: Strangers stopping to push my car when I'm stuck in the snow. My dogs everytime I walk in the front door. Any act of forgiveness. Little kid's drawings. Two (or more) people laughing their asses off together. The deep blue of the autumn sky.
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| 15 Dec 2010 01:09 PM |
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Heh. There's a portion of the brain governing altruism that makes one feel good. I won't object if you call it the God area.  |
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| 15 Dec 2010 06:06 PM |
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And I won't object to you seeing God in a chunk of your brain!! |
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| 15 Dec 2010 06:26 PM |
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destroying my life, tearing down everything around me, tearing down my own walls. The one thing that keeps him out. |
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| 15 Dec 2010 06:45 PM |
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@ Rogarn.. No , if your life feels destructive, perhaps you should take responsibility and accept accountability for your own short comings. You're in total control of your own actions, behaviors, so to try and pass blame on someone or something destroying your life, something you're creating for yourself alone, is inexperience, immaturity and plain stupid. I really don't enjoy using the word stupid, but sometimes stupid is what stupid says. Just negative!! @ caprice...i love your other examples also...i can add stars, oceans, mountains, moons etc...and go on forever Big one you noted...acts of forgiveness...how could i have overlooked this, thanks for the reminder @ Haumea...welcome to the God area. Thanks for keeping your response in a positive light |
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| 15 Dec 2010 06:51 PM |
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That is why I don't bother reading your posts anymore bella. I was trying to infer something deeper in my statement, and you took it at face level as a shallow outlook. You are naive. |
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| 15 Dec 2010 07:08 PM |
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Sorry if i offended you Rogarn. I didn't see or read into destroying your life as anything with deeper meaning, so yes, i did take it at face value. Thanks for clearing this up. And yes for sure i can be naive...i can also be oblivious, quick to think and quick to respond. I have no issues taking some positive criticism ....and Rogarn , you take me way too seriously. You mentioned i'm a know it all with my responses...but actually i can only speak my truth, what is true for me. I could be right, i could be wrong, but either way i'm always myself. If this at times offends you, or makes you feel uncomfortable, then its best you don't respond. |
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| 15 Dec 2010 07:30 PM |
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Also, you may take into account Job. God allowed Lucifer to take everything from him. His life was utterly destroyed. Not only was this not because of his short comings, but because he was such a Godly man. Shit happens. Sometimes God is the reason behind that bad things. |
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caprice
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| 15 Dec 2010 07:30 PM |
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Well, in fairness Rogarn, I couldn't tell if you were being deep (cuz I know you believe in God) or were maybe, um, possessed. |
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| 15 Dec 2010 07:35 PM |
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So then, perhaps it would have been a good idea for her to ask me to explain my logic, before assuming and assaulting my morals? |
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| 15 Dec 2010 07:39 PM |
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Hey, she apologized. Forgiveness??? |
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| 15 Dec 2010 08:03 PM |
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I thought it was a good point to put forward, when dealing with most INTJ's. Yes, this is forgiven. |
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| 15 Dec 2010 08:18 PM |
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Good!!! Haumea, maybe you should start a new thread about Astrology????? |
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| 15 Dec 2010 11:21 PM |
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"Yes, this is forgiven."- Clearly an act of God  . At any rate, the places where I see God are in miracles, in times where a crazy random storm will wipe out an army (2x in the case of the japanese-kamikaze, once with the british)>http://www.cracked.com/article_18894_6-real-historic-battles-decided-by-divine-intervention.html , primarily in things that have no physical explanation. (I prefer Occam's razor to the idea that God is subtly influencing things="god works in mysterious ways". It is more logical, and simpler.) "Also, you may take into account Job. God allowed Lucifer to take everything from him. His life was utterly destroyed. Not only was this not because of his short comings, but because he was such a Godly man. Shit happens. Sometimes God is the reason behind that bad things." That's one of the many reasons why I questioned God's goodness in my earlier thread. "destroying my life, tearing down everything around me, tearing down my own walls. The one thing that keeps him out." Why do you attribute all of these negative occurences to God? My guess is (partly coming from ^)- You are bitter about some very depressing, traumatic occurence, and you blame it on God and don't want to surrender to such an assholish (from the perspective that it was God's fault) entity. However, that is just a guess. At any rate, what is the "one thing that keeps him out?" |
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| 15 Dec 2010 11:42 PM |
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Also, I prefer to believe that I have more control over my life, which is another reason I support Occam's razor in the context of my last post. |
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| 15 Dec 2010 11:58 PM |
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Rogarn was misconstrued. I really hope he comes back and elaborates on what he meant exactly. I can only venture a guess that he means that his belief in a higher power unravels his INTJness in such a way that it is deeply disconcerting (not apparently logical) and causing more self - doubt and questioning of the way he processes than is generally in his comfort level. Just a wild stab. But please Rogarn, return to the thread and speak for yourself. |
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| 16 Dec 2010 12:05 AM |
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But the forgiveness is an act of God. Honestly, in my experience INTJs do forgive after they feel insulted - especially if there is an apology.
But it usually takes much longer. Kudos to you Rogarn!! |
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