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ENFP and sustaining a long term relationship- ADVICE
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cgThrow  MBTI: Age/Sex: 20 Relationship: Long term IM: Posts:7
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| 13 Oct 2010 10:37 AM |
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First off, I would like to say hello to everyone in this forum! I just arrived today in dire need of some advice.
I suppose I am an ENFP (champion). At least that is what the Briggs test told me after filling out all of the questions (I related to the description pretty well).
I am currently 20 years old, been dating the same girl now for about 5 years and have been blissfully happy for about the first 1-2. The other 3 and even in the first two years a little, I have been pondering over the question of, "Is this relationship what I really want". We contrast very well with each other but also can relate equally as well. I tend to be very physical (in the bed room as well as in the gym) and hold a strong sexual relationship as something that is very important to me. I love to excel at my long term job goal which is becoming a freelance/contracted based graphical artist. My girlfriend is very cute (sometimes so cute, it is kind of annoying), not as sexually involved in me as I am in her (she just doesn't seem to have the raging sex drive that I have), and wants to become a Physical Education teacher. She is also very playful and has a very youthful, fun-loving view about life. We both are liberal thinkers that are accepting and tolerant, do not believe in marriage, have no desire to EVER have children but still believe that long term relationships are possible and in many cases a good thing.
I find myself constantly leading girls on and then pulling out (no pun) at the point were they want something more from me than just friendship. Sometimes I lead girls on unintentionally (just my persona I guess, very flirty).
I love to go out to parties, but with booze for me, sometimes leads to a little bit more of a intimate relationship with some of the girls I meet that does not fit my moral character (since after all I am currently in a relationship), but somehow seems to happen every so often anyways.
I really think that I love the girl I am with now, but can't figure out if what I am feeling is actually a crutch in which I use to have a safety net for myself. I talked with my lady friend about this yesterday more in depth then I have ever talked to her about this subject and am really having a VERY hard time figuring out if I should stay with her or leave her. I love social interactions with other people and don't know if being socially monogamous on a intimate level with one person is justifiable since I am in college, have an opportunity to meet many other girls, and have NO other serious relationship experience outside of my current relationship.
So now that you have read a half page, condense description of the battle I am waging with myself I have been facing for the last 5 years, what are your opinions on how I should handle this situation? Should I sacrifice my glory days of college on the basis that I might have found someone I will be with for the rest of my life, or should I just say, "the hell with it" and finally take the leap into the unknown, meet a variety of different people and get a little crazy?
Thanks for any replies. |
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Rogarn  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: M 19 Relationship: banned from loving IM: shadowspirit1234
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| 13 Oct 2010 10:43 AM |
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*pelts with pebbles* thats for being a noobie As for your question, I would most definitely have to say that you need to leave her and move on. If you want to think about it this way, who were you when you were 15? Now compare that 15 year old you to your current self. See how much you have changed? In another five years, you'll be totally different again. We continue to change until we are about 25-ish. Thats when we really fit into who we are. Both of you are changing, and will continue to change. Who you originally liked, is not the same girl. You'r not the same man. It's very rare for two people to change in such a way that they can start dating when they are 15 and live happily ever after. So, best bet is to simply say that you really like her, but its time to move on with life. |
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Hazel  MBTI: xNFx Age/Sex: 20/Female Relationship: Single IM:
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| 13 Oct 2010 11:18 AM |
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If you've cheated on her, then leave her. If that's the case, then she deserves to be treated WAY better and will probably find someone who will treat her well in no time. Welcome to the forum, man whore.
Oh, and I'd also like to add that maturity is nothing more than a summary of your decision making. Obviously, if you decide to choose drinking and partying and sex over something real, you are undoubtedly immature and quite frankly, stupid :] ...just sayin. And on top of that, you can dream on if you think that there will be another woman like her in the future who agrees with you on the major topics you mentioned above. Ha, yyyyeah... good luck hoppin' that train, daddy. |
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Hazel  MBTI: xNFx Age/Sex: 20/Female Relationship: Single IM:
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| 13 Oct 2010 11:43 AM |
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"I love to go out to parties, but with booze for me, sometimes leads to a little bit more of a intimate relationship with some of the girls I meet that does not fit my moral character (since after all I am currently in a relationship), but somehow seems to happen every so often anyways."
Dude, booze doesn't make your decisions for you. You still make your own decisions. That's a bull shit excuse. You can't do anything while drinking that you haven't thought about doing while sober... mmhmm. I say, fuck you. You're obviously an immature asshole who doesn't appreciate that gold that he's already got in front of him. |
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Rogarn  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: M 19 Relationship: banned from loving IM: shadowspirit1234
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| 13 Oct 2010 12:17 PM |
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That was pretty harsh. Whats eating you Hazel? |
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Sir Benj  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: M 30 Relationship: Single IM:
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| 13 Oct 2010 12:30 PM |
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You disappoint me, Hazle. Please stop being a black cloud
I agree with what Rogarn said, call it quits. I think you are probable right in the fact that you are just using her as a safty net. you need a friend with benefits not a girl friend... Its not very respectful to her feelings or your feelings towards her to be fooling around with other girls. Not to mention I've really never really talked to anybody who stayed with their high school sweet heart and been happy about it. You are in collage, have fun, make friends, party, learn, discover, charm and woo. These times really only come once in a life time. |
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cgThrow  MBTI: Age/Sex: 20 Relationship: Long term IM: Posts:7
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| 13 Oct 2010 05:06 PM |
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Well thanks for all the replies (even Hazle's). I doubted that going on a forum for relationship advice was going to help out at all, but hey, what do you know, it did! I do think however (inner self realization) that my post was very manipulative and reflected what I thought I wanted to do (which was sleep around, drink and let loose a little bit without any obligations), but actually after reading Hazle's posts (as well as Benj, and shadow sprite --- How do you like Starcraft2 by the way?) I came to the stark realization that I am an ass, a super big one and that I have been blessed with the gift of someone giving me unconditional love, standing by me through a lot of bull shit, and overall being one of my best friends (yes, I am talking about my girlfriend). I have been abusing and not appreciating this love that I have been receiving and couldn't bring myself to throw away something that great as well as the history that we have together. Tonight I bought her a very nice bouquet of flowers, went to her apartment (she thought that I was going to end things cause I have been talking about us not working out for the last past week) and when she answered the door I gave them to her and told her I loved her. My plan: Stop being so reckless with our relationship, stop drinking (unless going out with the boys) and start trying really hard to make both of our hectic schedules work so I can see her more. She IS my best friend and I need to start treating her like it with more non-sexual and meaningful interactions. Not saying that we are going to be together forever, but being that I am only a sophomore in college I have 3 more years to "find myself" and meet other people. If I cannot change my wicked ways and me don't work out I can at least say that I rolled up my sleeves and gave her all I could give. Guess I will see what the future holds. |
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zvezdar  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: Relationship: IM:
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| 13 Oct 2010 07:31 PM |
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my only advice is always be honest with her and with yourself, otherwise you will cause great pain.
It might be that you will always be great friends and be together, but not be exclusive to each other. Open relationships are possible if you are both honest and both want the same things in life. Relationships dont fit into a set box of what is right and wrong, it is up to the people involved to decide what is really right for them. However if she wants to be exclusive to you and you dont want that, you need to own up to it and not torture her.
Think about you want and need deep down, and then communicate that honestly. You dont want to lose such an amazing person in your life because you were an ass.
PS: Hazel is right about booze, while it lowers inhibitions it doesnt make you do things you didnt already want to do. Dont ever use being drunk as an excuse for something, because you are lying to both yourself and the person you are trying to fool. |
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Hazel  MBTI: xNFx Age/Sex: 20/Female Relationship: Single IM:
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| 13 Oct 2010 08:09 PM |
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Was I harsh? As far as my booze statement goes, yes, I did go a little overboard. I should not have cursed at him or personally attacked him with that resounding "fuck you, you're an asshole." The main reason I added that whole bit was because I've had my drinking experiences and no amount of drink could drive me to cheat :/ I've had my chances, believe me. As far as the post before the booze post, that's something I'd like to call honesty. Perhaps a bit blunt coming from an ENFP, but it's the truth nonetheless. The truth shall set you free ;] I hold cgThrow in high respects now, not because he agreed with me or defended me, but because he owned up. That's uber commendable. I'm glad I was able to help, but I'm sorry that I was far more blunt than I should have been. I had every reason to be blunt, but not quite to the extent I was. I sincerely apologize for my harshness, but not for my honesty. @zvezdar: I should have worded it more like how you worded it. While it is the absolute truth, I came off wayyyy too harsh. But thanks for having my back and for trying to look at it from my perspective a bit. |
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Hazel  MBTI: xNFx Age/Sex: 20/Female Relationship: Single IM:
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| 13 Oct 2010 08:56 PM |
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@Rogarn: nothings eating me >.> beware of the shadow personality! If you want more insight, then by all means, reread the "Change in Personality" thread  |
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Hazel  MBTI: xNFx Age/Sex: 20/Female Relationship: Single IM:
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Psyko  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: Thirtysomething - Female Relationship: Happily married to ENFP of my dreams :) IM: ENFP Muse & Addict Abnormal Situation Manager
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| 14 Oct 2010 02:44 AM |
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Moderating: @ Hazel, it's good that you apologized and that you saw that you were too harsh, which you were. You need to tone it down in the future, you have similar posts in other threads too. Saying fuck you and calling someone an asshole is not constructive critizism and this is no way to greet a new member, even if you don't like what you read. I suggest that you take a time out and think before you answer to the posts where you feel an intense emotional negative reaction. Cudos to cgThrow for handling this very well, and welcome to the forum  |
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Hazel  MBTI: xNFx Age/Sex: 20/Female Relationship: Single IM:
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| 14 Oct 2010 07:13 AM |
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All right, so I'm a little rough around the edges. I think you would be to with my raising in my hood. Just to give you a slight idea of the violence I've been around, I've been stabbed and I've been shot. In fact, I've been shot on two seperate occassions. And no, this isn't ENFP over-exaggeration. I'm just letting you know that I never claimed to be perfect, and you should never expect me to be. All things considered, I think I'm doing a pretty damn good job at functioning like a normal human being. Give me a break. Seriously, I apologized, so drop it. It was over looooooooooong ago. |
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Psyko  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: Thirtysomething - Female Relationship: Happily married to ENFP of my dreams :) IM: ENFP Muse & Addict Abnormal Situation Manager
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| 14 Oct 2010 10:13 AM |
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Dear Hazel: It's very tough to have to experience being shot, stabbed and raised in a violent environment, and you are so young too. I feel for you and respect that you have had a hard time in life. It's understandable that you're rough around the edges with that background, but this is a forum for everyone, where we're supposed to be inclusive and civil with each other. It doesn't mean that you can't disagree with people or get mad at others sometimes, but you need to observe your language as it is offensive to be called an asshole and told to fuck off. It's happened a couple of times before this, that you've used coarse language in the threads so I'm asking you politely to tone it down in the future, as you can't get special treatment even if you have a rough background. You don't have to be perfect, being civil and thinking twice before posting very negative responses goes a long way.
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cgThrow  MBTI: Age/Sex: 20 Relationship: Long term IM: Posts:7
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| 14 Oct 2010 10:30 AM |
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You know what? I was actually just going to ask for some advice and leave the forum, but I like it here! I think I might just hang around. You guys seem pretty swell. Sorry to hear about some of your negative experiences Hazel. I am not going to pretend like I can relate, but I do know that what doesn't kill you (literally in your case) makes you stronger. BUT, why the hell do you want to function like a normal human being? Too boring, haha (said on a level of laughter, not personal attack..Just making it even more apparent)! @Psyko- Was that pic taken of you, by you or either (profile picture). Looks pretty awesome. What camera do you use/under water housing set up? |
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Psyko  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: Thirtysomething - Female Relationship: Happily married to ENFP of my dreams :) IM: ENFP Muse & Addict Abnormal Situation Manager
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| 14 Oct 2010 11:20 AM |
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Hey cgThrow & thanks!
It's me, taken by my dive buddy. In the pic, I'm diving in Northern Europe (hence the green, cold water.) When I shoot, I use a Canon EOS 5D MK II, (with various lenses,) the pic was taken with that camera, and a 14 mm f/2.8 lens. The underwater housing is an Aquatica made for that model with double Nikonos strobes, hope I am not too NT technical for you.. Do you shoot? What's your equipment? Do you dive? Where? Yay, fellow diver on the forum!!  |
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alysaria  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: Relationship: IM: Empress of Random Founding Member
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| 14 Oct 2010 12:15 PM |
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Welcome ^_^ Glad you had some self-realization, even if it took some blunt hostility.  It is interesting to note that the guys immediately jumped on the "leave her" train, where Hazel offered you the perspective to really see the value of what you have. Relationships are work....the good ones offer benefits that outweigh the effort, and the bad ones are a nightmare of throwing endless time and energy into a gaping black pit....and once you give enough to it, you feel like you're somehow obligated to keep throwing more into it. >.> But that didn't sound like the case. This just sounded like you were a little bit influenced by the stereotypical college guy mindset, the grass-is-greener syndrome, and the ENFP playa blinders. IE: If I'm not serious, I won't hurt anyone. |
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Hazel  MBTI: xNFx Age/Sex: 20/Female Relationship: Single IM:
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| 14 Oct 2010 12:27 PM |
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@Psyko: I didn't tell you those things that I usually keep secret so that you could keep going on about the first situation. You apparently didn't catch the subtle hints behind my telling the story... so I'll spell it out. I'm asking you nicely to BACK OFF. And fyi, I have not called anyone names that I haven't talked to outside the forum such as Rogarn and Justin. I feel that they know me well enough to where I can do such things without it horribly offending them. They understand me and my background a little better. Also, I'm old enough to be able to dechiper my own wrong doings without your help. Again, I already apologized. DROP IT. K, thanks :] @cg: I don't want anyone feeling sorry for me. Obviously I'm still alive. I'm blessed ^.^' And if I didn't function like a normal human being, I would probably end up like the rest of the thugs around here. I have to keep myself on a tight leash... a very tight one. I need order. If I explode because I let myself off of my leash, that's on me. I've never been one to neglect taking personal responisibility, believe that. @aly: ^.^' |
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Rogarn  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: M 19 Relationship: banned from loving IM: shadowspirit1234
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| 14 Oct 2010 01:34 PM |
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I don't dive, but I do shoot. I have a sony A230 with an 18-55mm lens and a 75-300mm lens. |
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Psyko  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: Thirtysomething - Female Relationship: Happily married to ENFP of my dreams :) IM: ENFP Muse & Addict Abnormal Situation Manager
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| 14 Oct 2010 02:09 PM |
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@ Hazel: I'm referring to two other incidents within the last month where you've used offensive language to other forum members (excluding Rogarn & JustinW.) I'm a moderator here whether you like it or not. Offensive language will not be tolerated in the future, or else you will be banned from the forum. Your background is not an issue with keeping polite to other members, as I tried to tell you in the nicest way possible. We have up to a thousand or more unique readers here every day and we are not tolerating offensive language from anyone to anyone, whether you feel you know the member you are being offensive to or not. I hope that is clear enough. (You don't have to reply to this.) This is ENFP land where harmony is appreciated. |
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