clarion4  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: 49/F Relationship: IM:
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| 09 Mar 2011 01:20 PM |
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I'm an INTJ who has been dating an ENFP for about a month online. We talk on the phone or IM almost daily. She seems great. Exchanged pics etc. We are going to meet in person in 2 weeks. Everything seems to be going well. But then I started to read up on ENFPs and found out they can be big flirts, go out of their way not to hurt someone's feelings etc.
So I went "digging" a bit, and got her on the subject of flirting. She agreed that she is a MAJOR flirt. My first reaction was *Gulp* Maybe I'm just getting played? I thought...wtf...I'll just be direct...so unlike an INTJ, LOL. I asked her how one would know if she is really interested or just flirting? Immediately she said that she likes flirting with me, because she IS interested. Should I believe that, or would that be a typical ENFP response of not wanting to hurt my feelings? Lastly what are some positive signs that she really does like me? She has told me that she feels very comfortable with me, and that doesn't always happen. She also said that she feels she can "open up" with me and show at least some of her emotions. I think those are both good signs. Anything else.
Thanks for your input!
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AnnaK  MBTI: XNFP Age/Sex: Middle aged Female Relationship: Single IM:
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| 09 Mar 2011 01:30 PM |
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I might be so friendly and playful that people think I am flirting, but I would NEVER tell someone I was interested, unless I really was. And I probably wouldn't tell them I was interested unless I thought they were too. The way people know I am interested in someone is I talk about them all the time, Google them, etc. Also, I would ask a lot more personal questions. |
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aevi23  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: 20/ M Relationship: IM:
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| 09 Mar 2011 09:08 PM |
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Same, I'm overly flirty with everybody, but I'd never lie about my feelings. It is true though that ENFP's (generalizing based off myself here) will go out of their way to make something stay good past the time it's soured, I've conciously done this before but not been able to help myself. If something doesn't feel right you have to push us until we admit the truth, it's not an easy thing for either people involved, but it's neccesary. I think thats one of the things ENFP's gain as they mature, the ability to control the extent to which we do this. |
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AnnaK  MBTI: XNFP Age/Sex: Middle aged Female Relationship: Single IM:
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| 10 Mar 2011 06:54 AM |
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Oh, I'm great at saying goodbye. I quit jobs at the drop of a hat. Once I went on a date and the guy was driving me home and I (nicely) said that he'd have to turn right because it was a one way street. He gets all defensive and says "I KNOW that!". He called and called but I never went out with him again. Another guy I drove across Europe to see and left early and broke things off because he was getting on my nerves. Not one thing, a series of little things. I'm a total quitter. |
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clarion4  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: 49/F Relationship: IM:
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| 10 Mar 2011 08:30 AM |
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From what you are saying then is that ENFPs cane be flirty, but won't say they are interested unless they are? However they can get disinterested just as quickly as they fell for you? I thought they were supposed to be one of the loyal types? UGH. How would an ENFP react if someone (INTJ) just asked a direct question of what the ENFP was feeling? Would that scare the ENFP off?
As an INTJ I'm selective to say the least. I usually can tell on the first date, or a few emails, calls etc, whether I want to pursue someone. This woman has knocked my socks off! And when that happens to an INTJ it makes our heads spin!
I've been contacting her once a day, although she is on my mind ALOT. (She sometimes contacts me first) If I texted her a few times throughout the day to see how she is would that be too much for an ENFP?
Thanks.
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AnnaK  MBTI: XNFP Age/Sex: Middle aged Female Relationship: Single IM:
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| 10 Mar 2011 08:41 AM |
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Posted By clarion4 on 10 Mar 2011 07:30 AM
From what you are saying then is that ENFPs cane be flirty, but won't say they are interested unless they are? However they can get disinterested just as quickly as they fell for you? I thought they were supposed to be one of the loyal types? UGH. How would an ENFP react if someone (INTJ) just asked a direct question of what the ENFP was feeling? Would that scare the ENFP off?
As an INTJ I'm selective to say the least. I usually can tell on the first date, or a few emails, calls etc, whether I want to pursue someone. This woman has knocked my socks off! And when that happens to an INTJ it makes our heads spin!
I've been contacting her once a day, although she is on my mind ALOT. (She sometimes contacts me first) If I texted her a few times throughout the day to see how she is would that be too much for an ENFP?
Thanks.
I lose interest quickly if I wasn't really that interested in the first place. It wouldn't scare me away if someone asked me dirctly if I was nterested in them. I think I have enough finese to answer the question truthfully -- no matter what the answer is. If someone asks that question in the first place,something must have made them think the answer was yes. So, that would mean I at least like them. I'd probably never ask the question though. I'd be too scared of the humilation.
Personally, I LIKE taking and communicating with people, so the frequnt texting would be very good. And a good way to get to know each other better. |
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fleetwell  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: 26, M Relationship: IM: Posts:46

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| 10 Mar 2011 12:58 PM |
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I'd say ENFPs tend to be very honest with themselves and others. Quitting jobs/relationships is a sometimes-painful result of that honesty. If it doesn't feel right or match up with our inner values we're almost incapable of pursuing it further. (At least this is true of me personally. I work exceedingly hard on the projects I'm passionate about but have experienced a physical sensation of revulsion at jobs that I took for the money but that didn't jive with how I saw the world, and usually quit these jobs swiftly) Same in relationships, if it feels off then I feel it's dishonest to stay and "fake it." So to answer your question I don't think emotional fakery is something most ENFPs engage in, though because they're often enthusiastic and charming towards most people around them it sometimes comes off as insincerity; it's generally not.
But Clarion don't let this make you think that she'll dump you or suddenly change her mind. We have mood swings and are easily bored, yes, but we're genuinely interested in people and like them, and it sounds like she's genuinely interested in her. Just put fear aside for the time being and give her a chance. |
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aevi23  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: 20/ M Relationship: IM:
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| 10 Mar 2011 02:17 PM |
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We can be fiendishly loyal, but getting to the point where we feel that kind of loyalty for a person can take a lot. my friends are constantly frustrated by my own lack of stability, I don't want to say I'm fickle, but my opinions and feelings tend to change on the turn of a dime, that being said, if I make a promise, I will keep it period. |
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PurpleGiraffe  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: 28/F Relationship: Jirafa sola IM:
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| 10 Mar 2011 05:09 PM |
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A lot of ENFPs can be genuinely honest, but I cannot say that all of them necessarily are. Honesty is more of an individual character trait and cannot be determined just by MBTI. However, based upon my experiences with ENFPs, this woman genuinely seems like she likes you. Just remember to be yourself, and you are taking a risk by dating/talking, and that can be scary, but the rewards can be great so the risk can absolutely be worth it. Just remember to have fun, be respectful, and be your INTJ self, and she'll like you because it sounds like she already does. |
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fleetwell  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: 26, M Relationship: IM: Posts:46

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| 10 Mar 2011 09:05 PM |
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EDIT:
Should read:
"it sounds like she's genuinely interested in you."
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caprice  MBTI: eNfP Age/Sex: F Relationship: IM:
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| 10 Mar 2011 11:48 PM |
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I think young ENFPs may tend towards fickle, at least I did. But as we get older, we get a better sense of what we want and what's impossible to have. There's always some amount of boredom in any relationship. You tolerate and compensate with friends and outside interests. I wouldn't worry about it too much. There's a risk in every relationship. If she knows anything about MBTI or Socionics, she may be worried that you could be harsh, cold, and judgemental. Just be your best possible self, which may allow her to be her best possible self. Good Luck!! I'm exited for you! |
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Nadette  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: 2x/F Relationship: IM:
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| 11 Mar 2011 09:15 PM |
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Just to reiterate what every other ENFP here has said - I can be flirty a lot, but it is always harmless flirting. Sometimes I just want attention or I don't even realize I'm being interpreted as flirty. I would never willfully say something I don't mean though. I care about people and would not want to hurt them. Honesty and integrity are my most cherished values. I very consciously try to keep track of what I say and make sure I'm not saying anything I don't mean or can't back up. The only times when I have been "fickle" are when I have felt overwhelmed or distracted by other things. I would never tell someone I was very interested in them and then just lose interest without warning. At that point I would consider having expressed interest to be a kind of commitment. I would feel like I committed to sticking with the relationship unless there was some very big deal issue that I properly addressed before I decided to leave. Leaving is difficult. I have a terrible time ending relationships....even conversations. Like, sometimes I am done talking, but I still wait for the other person to initiate saying good bye and hanging up, lol. If I do leave a relationship it is only after talking about it a lot or feeling like it is abusive on some level and simply walking away is the only solution. |
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AnnaK  MBTI: XNFP Age/Sex: Middle aged Female Relationship: Single IM:
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| 12 Mar 2011 05:57 AM |
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I think ENFPs like talking to people. Calling that "flirting" or "attention seeking" is the same as calling a quiet INTJ "rude". |
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clarion4  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: 49/F Relationship: IM:
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| 12 Mar 2011 08:53 AM |
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AnnaK, point well taken. But remember that INTJs aren't very good at the whole "social" aspect of dating. We don't always understand the games of dating. I for one wouldn't flirt, just for the sake of flirting. I would only do so if I had an interest in someone.
Hence I was trying to figure out the line of, when an ENFP is just being their normal flirty self, and when they actually have some interest. From reading the posts, it seems that you guys/girls are outgoing, and flirty. But if you say that if you have interest, then you probably are being honest, and not just playing someone.
Just as a quick update...things are going very well with this woman. We've been communicating everyday now, sometimes for hours. I'm feeling more comfortable about the whole thing. She's very intuitive. Must have picked up on my insecurity and said, "BTW...I'm not a player. I'm looking for a relationship" We finally get to meet in 2 weeks. Now my INTJ brain is analyzing that whole thing, especially since she is super "hot" and I'm average or a little above. But we have exchanged pics and I think the attraction for her is that I'm self confident, witty and driven. Can INTJs ever turn our brains off?
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alysaria  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: Relationship: IM: Empress of Random Founding Member
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| 12 Mar 2011 11:18 AM |
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I would like to stress the other part of the advice again: BE YOURSELF. Even if she's attracted to your confidence, a seamlessly perfect guy isn't fun for very long. It's what you perceive as your flaws that make you an interesting person....and I bet that the little vulnerable INTJ inside that is terrified right now is going to be one of the most endearing. How an ENFP sees both the confident and socially awkward aspects of the INTJ: Same reaction - "OMG SQUEEE!!! -hug-" |
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Nadette  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: 2x/F Relationship: IM:
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| 12 Mar 2011 03:54 PM |
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Hahahahahahahahahah! Oh my word, Alysaria, that is exactly how I see INTJs! |
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DCIdealist  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: M/21 Relationship: Single IM:
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| 12 Mar 2011 06:26 PM |
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahahaha!!! Alysaria, you hit the nail on the head. It's so true. I love INTJs because their so endearing. Either they're adorable because they're trying to box the world with logic or they're adorable because they've shown you their sensitive, sweet feelings that they've kept hidden away. Kittens vs. Cats is the best analogy I've ever seen. |
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DCIdealist  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: M/21 Relationship: Single IM:
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| 12 Mar 2011 06:36 PM |
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Oh, also a more relevant comment: It sounds like you can tell that she's very intuitive, as we generally are, so you need to walk a fine line with the whole self-confidence act. On the one hand, if you play it up too much and act too confident, she'll definitely be able to tell when you meet her in person. On the other, it's ok to expose your insecurity with her as long as you don't emphasize it too much. If you repeatedly ask questions that try to get at whether or not she likes you, or if you comment too much on how good it makes you feel that she likes you, your also bound to turn her off. I know it's hard for INTJs to do, but you really need to just trust her on this one and hope for the best. Don't analyze what she says so much and believe her the first time if she says she's interested. As an ENFP, I definitely like to flirt and socialize, but I have never told someone I was romantically interested in them unless it was true. You've got to remember that an ENFP, with our highly developed inner value system and our need to be our true selves, would feel really conflicted if they told someone they were interested when they really were not. It would drive them crazy. In other words, she's probably an honest person and you should assume that unless their is direct evidence to the contrary (just my opinion). |
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fightcity  MBTI: enfp Age/Sex: 22/male Relationship: single IM: Posts:8
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| 13 Mar 2011 09:42 PM |
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no worries ENFPs are a very truthful bunch. we are also very loving and flirty.  |
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Trance City  MBTI: INTJ Age/Sex: 21 Relationship: Single and staying that way. IM:
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| 13 Mar 2011 10:29 PM |
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Not trying to scare clarion here... in fact, clarion, don't read this. Fair warning. Most ENFPs I know are very sneaky, sly, and manipulative. They fall in love with everybody -.- even the older ones are like this... not that I would know >.>' Ahem. Anyway, here's my best interpretation of an ENFP... "I'm attracted to this person, omg, I'm so in love!" **GET TOGETHER** **ONE MONTH LATER** "I'm bored. We're done" **ONE WEEK LATER** "I'm attracted to this person, omg, I'm so in love!" **ONE MONTH LATER** ...you get the picture. Yeah... that pretty much sums it up, hey? Fickle.
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