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05 Nov 2009 03:23 AM  

I came to the realization today that I think I have the Hero Syndrome or something similar. I find that I'm extremelly attracted to a girl in distress. My first serious relationship was with a girl who's father had died about six months prior. For some reason, I felt I had to be there to help her through all her issues even though she obviously didn't want me around and emotionally abused me over the 1.5 - 2 years we were together. My current gf I was not very interested in at all when we first dated. We broke up and a lot of drama went on between us. She really hurt me worse than anyone had hurt me before, but I probably deserved it and brought it on myself - either way, she was heartbroken and then went through a lot of drama with her mom who ended up kicking her out for really lame reasons (her mom is psycho) and I got back together with her. I realized today that the biggest thing keeping me with her is knowing that she needs me, and I'm pretty much the only good thing going for her right now. Ironically, this is what kept me from breaking up with my ex for soooo long. I felt like if I wasn't there, she wouldn't be able to make it on her own. When I found out my ex (who I hadn't talked to for a while) had a fling with a guy who was in a relationship after I stopped talking to her, I nearly had an emotional break down - I felt like, "I knew it! I left her and she's thrown herself away. I failed her!" I was drunk at the time, but did manage to freak her out I think. She was obviously fine enough to get married like a year later.

There are numerous other situations where I have been very attracted to "damaged" girls. I never even really thought it through till now. Heck, I was even at a party a few weeks back where I went in knowing only my friend who brought me. Being my ENFP self, I ended up meeting and befriending everyone there. The police came by to complain about the noise (it honestly wasn't that loud, but then again, a guy did show up with a bagpipe..) and the girl who was the host started flipping the hell out. Next thing I know, I'm trying to calm her down and even end up starting to clean up the house and put some of the dishes away, which did work and made her laugh and relax some.

Do I have such low self-worth that I force my way into making people need me? It's really more with girls than with guys... mainly because I don't know how to console guys. The few times guys have cried around me, I found myself feeling awkwardly useless. When girls are in distress, I find myself getting involved when it's not even my place to be involved.

How do I fix this? Obviously, it's harmful to myself and others. I get myself into situations like the one I'm in where I have become such a crutch to a girl that she depends on me wholly and realize that I have completely sacrificed my own needs and desires to the point that my relationship has come to feel like a burden.

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06 Nov 2009 01:28 PM  

After saying to yourself, 'I want to help her', ask yourself 'Can I help her?' You really need to get your logical thinking cap on for these kind of decisions. If you haven't strengthened that aspect of your thinking, ask a close fellow trustworthy INTJ. I have a friend that's extremely similar to what you described. I'm really happy to be able to speak some basic insight into his life when something comes up like this that I see so perfectly logically clear will break his heart. Sometimes he listens, sometimes he doesn't... I feel very 'I told you so' often, because he doesn't trust my judgement....until he's hurt.

I feel very similar to some girls when I see boys mistreating them. I can't stand when girls are in a bad relationship with some asshole. I think to myself, maaaan, if only she could date me, I would treat her like royalty and show her the love she deserves. But then, I logically think she has made her choice for reason X, Y and Z and she will need to fend for herself. Sometimes you just need to backoff even if it hurts to see it. Don't OVER-help, just show appreciation and care.

Try initiating different methods of 'councelling' if you're knowledgeable in that area. You can still use your amazing "I want to help" skills without taking it too far over the line and getting yourself in trouble (jumping into a relationship to help fix her). This will help you to satisfy the need to fix people without causing any major problems. Help to fix the problem for her, don't become another problem.

What's 'wrong' with you is you're letting your ENFPness to take full rein on the situation. You ENFPs have INCREDIBLE people skills but need to be cautions to not be TOO helpful. Give yourself sometime and think about it logically (or get someone to help you with the logical part). 
 

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07 Nov 2009 09:58 PM  
Nathan,

Stop this before it's too late. I know a guy in his late 40s or early 50s that is still doing this. It's actually very sad to watch.

I don't know how you stop it. Maybe counseling or soul searching as to why you do it. I get it - as a woman it's my job to care for "everyone". And I did my share of dating guys that needed "fixing/helping" in my younger years.
Nothing lasts forever, so live it up, drink it down, laugh it off, avoid the bullshit, take chances, & never have regrets, because at one point, everything you did was exactly what you wanted.
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08 Nov 2009 03:42 PM  
Well GI Joe said knowing is half the battle. I really do feel now that having this knowledge about myself can help the logical part of my brain filter through the emotional impulses. Either way, I'm getting out of town for a bit. I went against my nature and decided to take a spontaneous trip out to Atlanta to visit my best friend there. It's her birthday, and she's unemployed too, so we're going to keep each other sane for a few days. She's always great for venting to and I hope to get a lot of thinking/soul searching done. I figure it's probably one of my last chances to just up and go have an adventure somewhere before I land a real job and have to carefully plan out my 10 vacation days a year.

There's a certain amount of appeal to my current employment as a seasonal biologist. I make insane amounts of money during the few months of the year that I work. It's really kind of like the deadliest catch, but instead of the risk of death - there's just a risk of not finding any good projects or being on really crappy projects. There's potential for me to make $30k this next summer, which I could then use to travel the world a bit while I'm off. Then again, I can get the stable 9-5 job with a great corporation and be able to get a house, have awesome benefits, get graduate school paid for, and have a pretty predictable career path. I really don't recall how this post went from one topic to another. I think I derailed my own thread.
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08 Nov 2009 06:42 PM  
Nathan,

You're allowed to derail your own thread. LOL!!!

Have fun with your friend. Soul searching is always a good thing, in my opinion.

Stable job or being able to travel and play? Tough decision. If I were your age again, I'd probably choose the "being able to travel and play". When I was your age, I was giving birth to my daughter. The one in the picture with me (taken 20 year years ago).
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09 Nov 2009 12:42 AM  
It's only a problem if you believe it's a problem.

First of all, you cannot take responsibility for the actions of others. People screw up because they screw up. Nothing you could have done could have prevented girl #1 from getting herself into trouble. If the potential was there, then all it needed was a catalyst, and you should be glad it happened now, while she's still young and can recover and move on. Maybe these ups and downs are exactly what she needed to right herself and find where she needs to be. You wouldn't want to take that from her, would you? You cannot fix the world. That's too heavy of a burdeon for anyone to bear, even an ENFP like yourself. The sooner you realize that and start dealing with yourself instead of running from it and trying to appear as the pillar of strength, the easier it'll be on you.

If it keeps you from doing the things you feel you should or want to, then maybe it's time to take a trip to the beach or something and think solely of yourself for a while, and why you need to be needed. Do you feel empty when you're not helping someone? Where does this need to save people from themselves come from? Was there an event in your life where you felt utterly helpless and almost relive that every time a similar situation comes up? It seems like the people who need to be heroes have a common thread, a reluctance to look at themselves for one reason or another. Maybe doing exactly that will solve this problem for you, if that's where it's coming from. My INTJness tells me to look for the root of the issue and deal with that, or else it becomes a hydra. And nobody likes a hydra.

Have you ever thought that maybe it's you who needs the saving? Maybe it's time to look at your own life and your own issues and deal with them. Be your own hero and kill your hydra.

What line of work are you in? Maybe if you were to enter into some line of work that lets you get your urges to save people (like firefighting or something. a literal interpretation of the hero for society itself, everyone loves a firefighter) you could quiet your mind and be able to find a meaningful relationship where you dont always feel obligated to fix everythign for everyone.
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09 Nov 2009 01:47 AM  
Haha, well I was technically "in" the Army for a while (was accepted to Officer Candidate School, had a contract signed a date to ship, but basically got talked out of it by all my friends and my brother in the Navy), I was interested in being a cop for a while and even did police explorers for a couple months and decided that wasn't for me. I've been thinking about applying to State Farm. I have a friend that works there and the pay, benefits, and opportunities look pretty good. The important thing is they don't care what your degree is in. I just have a fear that I would get into a position doing something very mundane that I would hate.

I get what you're saying though. Perhaps, I just want people to think I'm a great person. I often find myself going on message boards, online communities, and to my friends and asking them their opinions about me. I love getting people's honest opinions about me. I even submitted my photos to Hot or Not to see if I could get an honest feeling for how attractive I was. Maybe since I grew up as a middle child, was very introverted growing up, and suffered from issues with my self-esteem - maybe I just want to be envied, admired, or wanted, because I never got that sort of attention before.
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09 Nov 2009 01:58 AM  

Same! I do this too.  Im trying to lurk unsuccessfully.

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09 Nov 2009 11:27 AM  

Sounds to me like someone needs a few more INTx friends. Tell us a situation, and ask "now, be honest, don't be afraid to hurt my feelings. I understand you're only saying it to help me, not hurt me. To show me where my weaknesses are and help me strengthen them. I need an honest opinion from someone I can trust" but you have to mean it, and be prepared to feel like you've been lain out on the operating table and analyzed, coldly and clinically, but you'll get such an honest look at yourself it'll amaze you. You just have to be really prepared, and know that they're not trying to hurt you, but to tell you to your face what people would normally say behind your back, and also know that they're saying it out of love, and only because you asked. You can't take their honest words out on them, because that tells them you're not really ready to hear the truth, and that you were just digging for compliments, and an INTx is not the place to go for that (and they'll let you know it).

My ENFx friend asked me that question and was not prepared for the answer. She didn't speak to me for a month, but came back after she had realized that I had not said those things to hurt her (I was cold and brutally honest, but I expected her to realize that I'm her friend and that I wouldn't have been talking to her if I didn't also see good qualities. She hadn't asked for good qualities. She should have asked me to sprinkle those in there if that's what she wanted). And that I didn't sugar coat them because in an explosive situation, neither would anyone else. I'm her friend, I don't want to see her hurt, and I'd rather she hear it from me in a calm situation, than from someone just out ot hurt her. She is now more careful with her wording, but she usually comes to me when she needs a brush with the harsh reality of what the outside world is saying about her. At least she now knows that I'm coming from a place of love, and that I'm not trying to hurt her, but help her not be hurt in the future.

You can't fix it unless you know what it is that's broken. And an INTx has a way of making it clear what that broken bit is. They also like to help you fix it.

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09 Nov 2009 09:27 PM  
I do this also, I do this mostly with my friends though.

Part of it is that I like to have my ego petted, but the other is that I can't stand seeing other people hurt.

A couple of months back I read a description of someone with a codependent personality. I could really relate. Perhaps it is the same with you?
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09 Nov 2009 10:55 PM  
Posted By Noodle on 09 Nov 2009 08:27 PM
I do this also, I do this mostly with my friends though.

Part of it is that I like to have my ego petted, but the other is that I can't stand seeing other people hurt.

A couple of months back I read a description of someone with a codependent personality. I could really relate. Perhaps it is the same with you?


http://soulselfhelp.on.ca/CodependantP.html

yup.. a lot of those attributes seem to hit pretty near to home...except the ones dealing with covering for someone who is abusing substances. I guess you could make the case that I cover for other things. With my ex, I'd never tell anyone how she harmed me emotionally for the longest time.

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30 Jan 2010 01:26 PM  
Nathan, This may be something easy for ENFPs to fall into. I certainly recognize the pattern in myself. In some ways I suppose it it a lack of trust and faith in others -- that: 1) we can openly express ourselves to them and 2) they are capable of taking care of themselves.

I have gone into counseling and am finding it extremely useful, in terms of becoming more comfortable with myself. It does seem to translate into easier relations with everyone else in the world. You might find it very worthwhile. I look at it like an investment that will help me avoid wasting future years/decades of my life doing the same old patterns that don't work.
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20 Mar 2011 10:20 PM  
Nathan,

I am doing the same thing, unsuccessfully right now still. It is codependency. It's the same kind of situation rescuing someone else b/c I think they need me too much.
I think it happens with other types b/c we ENFP's have SO much to give. We are the life-force and light for a lot of other types. They get attached to us and end up NEEDING us, but they don't really need us. It's just easier to be with us b/c we naturally communicate, and enjoy life. Our tendency to be so open and help people puts us at a great risk at getting involved in some of these toxic relationships.

I've gone through some counseling sessions, and it's 'highly' likely you are co-dependent too. Before you get upset or anything, it's not a disease or any really bad thing. It's just the need to rescue people, and the need to feel needed back. It's a behavior that can be changed, but you need to know you're doing it. For me personally, I find that certain people make me act more co-dependent than others. So, maybe your relationship was the same. You get so wrapped up in it, and you think they need you and maybe you need them, and it just gets all mixed up. A great book is: Melody Beattie, "Codependent No More" It's been around a long time, and has fabulous reviews. There are some substance abuse themes, but only like 10%, the rest is relative for you too.
But if you don't stop the behavior, it'll keep happening again and again in future relationships. You have to find someone as your equal and not someone who needs you to fix them, b/c seriously, put any ENFP in a room with a broken kind communicative person, and we're gonna jump over bridges to go talk to them and try to help! It's our nature.

If you want to talk, send me a message. I'm still dealing with it too, but I am slowly getting better and learning to fix myself and stay away from those certain types. For me, it was an ISTJ who was really broken. He just wanted to live life through me, and he thought he was happy that way. I was clearly unhappy and couldn't fix him enough, but he would never leave or go on his own. It was hard for me to end the relationship b/c I had so much hope it could be fixed or that he might just crumble since he depended on me SO much. It's a lot of weight to carry, and the sooner you unload it the better. You need to work on yourself and stop the pattern, so you can find someone equally as amazing as yourself.

Heres Wikipedias definition of codependency:
Codependency (or codependence, co-narcissism or inverted narcissism) is a tendency to behave in overly passive or excessively caretaking ways that negatively impact one's relationships and quality of life. It also often involves putting one's needs at a lower priority than others while being excessively preoccupied with the needs of others.[1] Codependency can occur in any type of relationship, including in families, at work, in friendships, and also in romantic, peer or community relationships.[1] Codependency may also be characterized by denial, low self-esteem, excessive compliance, and/or control patterns
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