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08 Feb 2010 12:41 PM  
and let them drag you around like a shiny plaything until you are their favorite plaything and profess undying devotion and think your more important than their cute adorable keychain (ah you thought i didn't know about the keychain, but i know > ).


O.O ZOMG! LIES! -hides her sesshoumaru chibi keychain- YOU KNOW NO SUCH THING!!
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08 Feb 2010 03:55 PM  

I ran the question past my INFP brother just to make sure I wasn't crazy. He said young einstein's situation is definitely "game on," unless two situations obtain.

One, if the woman is living with her boyfriend. That means the relationship is at a pretty high level, which means the woman is trying to create drama by making the boyfriend angry and jealous. Then it is not "game on," but "game over man, game over! Sarge is dead, let's get the fuck outta here!"

Second case would be if the boyfriend is a friend of yours. Then it's bros before hoes.

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08 Feb 2010 08:04 PM  

It is truly unfortunate that I'm saying this but... all the spelling mistakes in the first post made my eyes burn.

Anyway, apart from what advice has been given so far - I'm just going to support the view that you should work towards getting what you want. Notice the 'what you want' part.

And there's no such thing as a helpless INTJ. 

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09 Feb 2010 01:08 AM  

I'll be frank.  I think you're getting bad advice.  Whoever it was that said it takes an eternity for an ENFP to commit is just plain wrong.  We are very loyal but we do love novelties.  That may seem contradictory, but it's really not.  An ENFP will almost certainly know when something is a novelty or not, and that is how we differentiate.  I hate to say it, but you are a novelty.  She is feeding her craving for emotional attachment, intellectual stimulus, and a general relationship that transcends the superficial.  In other words, she has a boyfriend, but she's lonely, and you're not going to fix that.  She knows that.

If you genuinely value your friendship with her, I would advise against trying anything.  It's almost certain to backfire.  If she is an ENFP, she most likely has strong convictions, especially about loyalty.  If you publicize her guilt by touching or making gestures with sexual or otherwise intimate connotations, you will turn her guilt into shame and she will reject you for it.  You will also reinforce her relationship with her boyfriend.

But all is not lost.  I understand wanting to know what you might have, but at the same time not wanting to damage what you already know is there.  You can tread water.  I probably wouldn't be in this situation as an ENFP, unless I were extremely bored in my relationship.  But, if I did find myself there, I would probably most appreciate an honest verbal approach.  Tell her you like her and ask her if she feels the same way.  If you don't feel comfortable with that, you need to find an approach that puts her in a position to confirm or deny.  Ask her out, ask her for her phone number, whatever... just do it in a way that reinforces how she feels.  Doing it verbally is key, I would say.  But I will tell you honestly that I don't think she feels that you are something lasting.  She may like you, but there are different likes in our world.  There are the lasting likes and the intriguing likes.  She most likely wants to consume everything about you to satisfy her curiosity, then move on.  But good luck nonetheless.  Please do update

 

 

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09 Feb 2010 10:12 AM  

No! Take the bad advice!

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09 Feb 2010 12:43 PM  
JH....as close as ENFPs and INFPs are, we're still vastly different....especially when it comes to social interaction and advice. An INFP is led completely by values and their own ideals of wrong and right. >.> ENFPs don't validate/invalidate anything without first skimming through all of the possibilities and options. Have I mentioned how much we HATE cutting ties? >.> Especially immature ENFPs. ENFPs are people collectors....and it's the most horrifying prospect in the world to even consider abandoning one of our precious people. We cut ties by emotionally withdrawing and making the other person be the "bad guy" so we don't have to feel any guilt for a relationship failing....and I hate to admit this icky tendency, even if it is more *common* in immature ENFPs, because I know I still do it sometimes....if the other person is the "bad guy", in the ENFP mind, it's ok to randomly pick up ties with them at a later date because we still can't entirely let go of the connection.

To summarize: An ENFP has alot of trouble letting go of an unhealthy relationship because we don't want to cut ties, and when we *do*, it's easy to get dragged back in by that person if they don't fully withdraw. >.> Never ever trust an ENFP (esp female) who's in a relationship and still looking - because just calling that first guy a boyfriend shows some established loyalty on her end. She may be willing to do all sorts of things with you, but she'll be unwilling to sever that connection easily. Even if she LOOOOOOOVES you, there's still a strong hold from the connection to her boyfriend. Secondly, right and wrong are entirely subjective to an ENFP - we are great at convincing ourselves that unnacceptable behavior is ok if it's something we really, really want. >.> INFPs can see right through that crap most of the time and don't readily accept self-delusion; they're more aware of it.....ENFPs....not so much.
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09 Feb 2010 10:48 PM  
Fortune favors the bold. Go for it. Start with the hand holding....
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11 Feb 2010 05:46 AM  
On average how long dose it take an ENFP to consume everything about me? Not that I am impatient or anything, but I would like some kind of time line or a ballpark or something. Is there a cut off point, after which I will know weather or not she is just trying to fill her unsuitable appetite for new shiny INTJs?
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11 Feb 2010 07:10 AM  
With an emotional person, you can hardly expect clear definitions.

Dark Side: With an emotional person - not ruled by intellect - control their emotions and you control them. Learn how to make her feel things, and feel things you want her to feel.
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11 Feb 2010 11:04 AM  
einstein....there's no timeline. >.> INTJs are magic boxes that always have something new and shiny inside. And ENFPs don't get tired of people....we either get overwhelmed and frustrated by people who we feel we constantly have to perform for without anything really substancial to make the friendship worthwhile....or we get bored of people who try to stifle us or force us into a schedule and don't appreciate a little bit of spontaneous time once in a while. >.> I also get confused and zone out on people who try to give me a metaphor or example and I can't make any sense out of it. I'm wired for connections....soooo....if I can't find a connection between an analogy/example and the point, you've lost me.
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11 Feb 2010 06:09 PM  
*whacks young einstein on the head for spelling INTJ, INJT, in his MBTI type*
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11 Feb 2010 06:45 PM  

Oh come oooon!!!! Who are you, the spelling police???? You've usually got more interesting stuff to say than that Zsych...

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11 Feb 2010 09:37 PM  

you JUST caught that? I've been questioning his orientation for awhile now.


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12 Feb 2010 02:35 AM  
With sbalbom I was just helping.young einstein could use a spellchecker - no offense intended man.
@Susan: No, I noticed it earlier. I assumed english wasn't his primary language.
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12 Feb 2010 11:32 AM  
On average how long dose it take an ENFP to consume everything about me?


Five years
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12 Feb 2010 02:01 PM  
hum, you know i was joking right?
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12 Feb 2010 06:50 PM  

Apparently not, since I actually questioned his being INTJ based on spelling mistakes and such since we tend to like being clearer and some of us do have a snooty attitude towards spellings and grammar (or just things being correct) - that may just be the average, but I did consider english as a second language a decent reason for an INTJ to have bad spelling, rather than assuming that he doesn't care.

 

Edit: Okay, this is embarrassing, I decided to recheck the first post to make sure if this was the guy that had been irritating me, and I was actually thinking of someone else on some other forum when I originally objected to the spellings. The first post seems reasonably okay, as opposed to whatever horror I'm recalling (probably from someone on intjforum - where I just couldn't finish reading the post due to the spelling mistakes)

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13 Feb 2010 12:32 AM  
INTJforum frustrates me to no end
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13 Feb 2010 12:55 AM  
INTJforum frustrates me to no end


It seems a lot of INTJs here don't like the INTJ forum, or have major issues with it. One thing I find very funny is that ppl say. "oooo i like the bright shiny colors here. and the INTJ forum is so drab."

Not to bust on INTJ forum bc... ya know I like INTJs.... I think they keep it too serous. But thats an ENFP typing.


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13 Feb 2010 01:28 AM  
:/

I don't like the INTJs who need other people to be wrong to prove they are better than you. I hate my own tendency to do it. As soon as someone needs to break out credentials to prove they are more right than you are you know it's all BS.

Don't tell aly i secretly switched her Sesshomaru with Miroku. I am not from Konohagakure but i did stay at their holiday inn express last night.

Ok, sorry for being off the OP.
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