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Last Post 10 Mar 2010 04:59 PM by mealy. 8 Replies.
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05 Feb 2010 10:27 PM  

Hi

Me and this girl have been friends/aquantences for a few years now, and recently hit it off into something more than that. We've been doing stuff with each other for a few weeks now, and have had an incredible time with each other. It's the classic good ENFP/INTJ relationship. We are like two completely different shaped puzzle pieces that fit together perfectly to form a more coherent picture, which is fantastic for me, an INTJ, who is very rarely understood by other people. There's been obvious attraction...deep, complex conversations exploring the world and each other..and we both have so much fun with each other...going on adventures, hangin out, kissing, cuddling, all that good stuff! I asked her to be my valentine the other day, and she very excitedly replied that she would.

Suddenly, 4 days ago, I text her about doing something the next day. I get vague responses and after a few messages, she just ignores me. No word from her at all for the next couple days. I figure she just wants some space so I give it to her, waiting for her to hit me up. Today, browsing through Facebook, I notice that she'd become "friends" with her ex, and here he was posting on her Wall about doing something with her on Valentines day. She replies, publicly and enthusiastically, with a big "fuck yeah, I LOVE YOU!".

There is some crazy history with this guy, her ex. They've been in a bad relationship for over a year.. full of breaking up, and getting back together, over and over. This last time they broke up, though, was different. It was bad. She said things that, as she said "can't be taken back". She had talked to me about how unhealthy it was to be with this guy. About how fucked up she thinks he is, how much she utterly despises him. This was her last stand and she was, apparently, completely done with him. And it lasted for a couple months...way longer than any other time.

But, here they are, apparently getting back together. Her obviously ignoring the fact that she knows it's a huge mistake. And here I am, calm and rational on the outside, but full of intense, conflicting, out of control emotions.

I don't know what to think or do. We had a great thing together. I care about her. And she's just totally throwing it out the window with a seemingly complete disregard for me, my feelings.

The logical part of me is wanting to say fuck it, I'm done with her. She's dangerous, manipulative, unstable, and has no place in my life. I don't play games. I can't tolerate blatant disrespect and disregard from someone I am close with.

The other part of me, the part that feels, (ironically, the part that she's been helping me discover and express) is wanting to try to help her. To offer my support and to stop her from getting back together with this guy. To try and solve the problem. And I like to think that I'd be willing to help stop this relationship from forming with him, even if it means that me and her as anything more than friends is done with either way.

I'm trying to make this brief, but I think I should bring up one more thing. I was browsing through another personality forum in hopes of gaining some insight into what is going on in her head, when I cam across "The 10 Stages of A Depressed ENFP".

http://personalitycafe.com/enfp-articles/10708-10-stages-depressed-enfp.html

She has mentioned a few times that she's been feeling depressed for a while now. And she exhibits some bad anxiety sometimes, where she'll just close herself off from everything going on around her. It seems that she may be going through this depression cycle, and if I had to nail it down, would put her at Stage 6:

Stage Six: The ENFP will start lashing out at other people like above, but more extremely. Will most likely show complete and utter disregard for authority. They will also start hurting the people they care about, to make them back off and go away. All the while the ENFP, through the stages, will try to convince themselves that nothing is wrong and that they will get better, and thus the problem worsens.



Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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05 Feb 2010 11:50 PM  

I don't know what to think or do.
Sure you do. You outlined what specifically needs to be done above-- forfeit, let the other dude be the sucker! You just don't want to do it.

People couldn't pay me to put up with this kind of drama. But go save her! It should be a fun experiment, not to mention great comedy.

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06 Feb 2010 05:39 AM  

Hi satwk & welcome to the forum

I'm afraid you can't save her, it's not your job to save her. She's a person who is allowed to make her own mistakes and the relationship with her ex is clearly not over, she's not done with him. We can say mean things about someone when we still have feelings for them, (i.e he was bad, I'm so over him etc.) and not entirely mean it. You need to let her go and you need to let her figure out for her own if she has a future with her ex. It seems that their history counts for more than the recent romantic history you share with her. I'm also afraid that your words won't carry much weight with her. You are biased since you have feelings for her, she won't necessarily listen. What they have needs to run it's course. If she's indeed depressed, she needs to seek professional help to deal with it.

You can also set up a boundary for her and not tolerate the behavior and never be with her again. I don't know whose loss that'll be. You can only control your actions, and you are certainly entitled to being upset with her and be angry with her. The ENFP 'fade out' is famous. She avoided you so she didn't have to hurt you or tell you in person that she'd gotten back with her ex. At least you got an explanation.

I'm sorry this happened to you. I hope you find another great ENFP to be with. She is following her heart, you can't fault her for that... 

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06 Feb 2010 11:15 AM  
Frankly, the part that stuck out to me was that *SHE* said things she thought couldn't be taken back. She's in the level of maturity (or lack thereof) of ENFP development where we rely on other people to keep our decisions and resolutions for us. >.> She assumed that her hurtful words would be enough to keep this other guy away and never conditioned herself to tell him no. What she needs is to understand that saying no to someone or losing one connection isn't the end of the world - we hate hate HAAAATE to close doors....we prefer relationships to end mutually - and this tug-of-war is definitely not healthy.

In this situation, you need to sit down with her and talk....make it clear that regardless of her actions, she WILL lose a connection. She just has to decide whether you or her ex are more important.....and if she chooses him, you can't save her. You'll have to walk away and do not DO NOT whatever you do let her manipulate you into reopening that door. Because she will try.
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08 Feb 2010 08:23 PM  
This sounds unpleasant... and I'm not sure I'm in a supportive mood, so my first response is: DUMP HER!!!

Alright, now that I have that out of my system...
1. Decide on how you'd like things to be.
2. Come up with ideas that might help things be that way.
3. Assess difficulty of implementing various ideas, what tools/information is needed to actually implement the ideas, and what you think the results could be.
4. If you have come up with a plan in Step 3 that has a reasonable Effort vs. Probable Reward ratio... Try it out.

I'm in a dark place right now where I'm inclined to suggest that what she wants or thinks is completely irrelevant to what you think and want. That said, she might still seriously be in love with the old dude... which is making me think up all kind of negative solutions to destroy her feelings for him.
Consevatively - you might just wait it out, and continue to act normal and be friendly, and perhaps semi-supportive of her relationship if she wants it - while helping her analyze what she was getting out of it and what went wrong last time.
Generally... analyze any emotion and find that there's virtually nothing underneath it, and you can't really quantify much of what you're getting out of a relationship... Which can be a good thing when you're trying to get over negative emotions, or when you want someone to get over the emotions they are feeling (alright not that simple but still... the more information there is, the more you have to work with)
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08 Feb 2010 11:01 PM  
$10 says she is 20 or younger

Dump her. No maturity, not worth your time. 6% of girls are enfps. You can find an other one. Cuter too.


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08 Feb 2010 11:02 PM  
Stage One: ENFP will start feeling a bit lonely and disconnected. They will think it's just a stage that will pass, and will try to ignore it.

Stage Two: The ENFP will start feeling even more lonely, this can usually be brought about by having a hard time with family or feeling like they are insecure in their relationships in general. Stage One increases, and the ENFP will start feeling anxious.

Stage Three: The ENFP's feeling of anxiousness will become overbearing, and they may feel extremely insecure when talking to other people. They lose the quick wit and charm they used to have. The smile will because more nervous and the laugh will become less natural. They will still be trying to convince themselves it;s just a stage that they are going through and that nothing is wrong.

Stage Four: ENFP will most likely hit shut down mode. They will not talk to other people about their feelings or what is going on unless asked specific, prying questions. They will have a really hard time talking to people and feeling like they can relate. They will start coming across as an introvert.

Stage Five: The ENFP will be extremely stressed, lonely, and emotional. May start bursting out randomly and be extremely moody. Will experience periods of highs and lows. The ENFP may start crying over something seemingly insignificant. They will do this because there is so much bottled feelings up inside and that may have been the last thing to set them off edge.

Stage Six: The ENFP will start lashing out at other people like above, but more extremely. Will most likely show complete and utter disregard for authority. They will also start hurting the people they care about, to make them back off and go away. All the while the ENFP, through the stages, will try to convince themselves that nothing is wrong and that they will get better, and thus the problem worsens.

Stage Seven: They will finally admit to themselves that there is a problem but try consciously to contradict it. They will try to force themselves to relax and be wonderful again. They will try to establish the facts- what the problems is, how it went wrong, and what to do.

Stage Eight: If it gets worse at this point, the ENFP will not be acting like themselves at all. They will not be thinking clearly, and will most likely suffer from being illogical, irrational, and as well may suffer from extremely headaches. They will give up on caring and will not pay attention to the world around them, instead focusing all of their energy into their inner world of what they feel and dwell on it. They will no longer have any motivation to care or do the things they love.

Stage Nine: Your ENFP will start enjoying dark humor ad freaking other people out for the hell of it, especially the people they care about. However, at this stage they will not do this too extremely to the people they care about because their is that small piece of the ENFP that wants to hold the relationship in tact. They will push you away and drag you back in, and become and emotional roller coaster for anyone and everyone around them. If you ask what is wrong, the ENFP will completely shoot you down unless it is in a structured environment and they think that you are somebody that they can trust. However at this point the ENFP will become extremely untrusting, so talking to them about anything is much like walking on fragile glass about to fall apart and break forever. The ENFP will hold grudges.

Stage Ten: Complete personality turnaround, the ENFP will have lost it, or will have appeared to. Complete emotional instability and recklessness. They will be completely and utterly impulsive to the point of stupidity. They will not care about their well being or anybody else's. At this pion, the ENFP will be so far in their heads it will be nearly impossible to get through to them unless you sink to his or her own level of insanity and instability. They will have given up on life altogether, and will most likely have forgotten what it was like to really feel alive and well again.
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10 Feb 2010 06:50 PM  
Stick a fork in it - done!
To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man.
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10 Mar 2010 04:59 PM  
I think breaking up seems valid but just to play devil's advocate, I wonder what would happen if you took the ENFP girl aside, and helped her walk through a mental video of her past and future with this guy. Get her to see that she is not actually happy with him. Then ask her how she feels when she is with you. Give her some assurance that you do not want her to leave for an idiot, that you care about what happens to her, and you don't want to see her make a stupid decision. Make her feel like you need her. I don't know if this is a good idea, but I do wonder what would happen.
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