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03 Mar 2010 11:17 AM  

From extensive research on the Internet, this relationship can either be wonderful, or it can be extremely frustrating. I can attest to both. I'll share my experiences here, I guess.

When I first met my ISTP boyfriend, I'd typed him as an INTJ--when he took the test, he came out as INTJ. And he did seem like it: sarcastic, logical, all those wonderful qualities that make INTJs so loveable. <3 Yet when I attempted to draw him into conversation, he'd either make a joke and wriggle out of it or give me one straight, definite answer without much explanation, effectively ending any sort of further commentary. Which was weird but also intriguing; it became a sort of game, trying to get him to tell me his thoughts. And they were usually quite interesting. It was just...they followed one track, and while he would listen to me talk about the different possibilities, he didn't see the point. He had his answer. He gave me his answer. Wasn't that enough? I loved that he had all of these hidden reasons for them: that he could give a seemingly illogical answer and then back it up. I loved that he had a whole world that he rarely showed anyone. It was just that the blocks that he used to build it weren't as brightly colored and intricately carved. They were just blocks. Even if they did make pretty architecture, I couldn't stare at it for long periods of time and I had to rearrange them. [If that metaphor makes sense.]

Something that frustrates me is his inability to talk about emotions. He can if I do enough prodding, but I don't want to prod. I have this idea that the more you know someone/trust them, the less you should ask them about personal things. Because if they trust you, they'll just automatically talk to you, right? That's been my experience. But he defies all that. [Intriguing and frustrating, grah.]

But yes, emotions. He'll do it in his gestures, but since we have a long-distance relationship, there's not much of it. But verbally, he just can't. He's used to teasing and joking and being blunt--to the point that he knows it might hurt the other's feelings, but he'll say it anyway. And that upsets me quite a bit, yet when I tell him that, he responds that it's just how he is. But it makes me feel like I’m not worth it; that he could find someone else. And even when he compares me to all the other females in his life, it doesn’t help. Sometimes when I’m feeling selfish I want to yell at him, “I’m rare! Don’t disregard me!”

He can take something and run with it for a long, long time. He likes instructing me on things but I get bored easily and want to switch to something else, but he'll be so caught up in it [and it's adorable] that I don't have the heart to stop him, so I'll keep going, too. To combat this, we come up with little games to try and make the process go faster. He's very good at sports--gymnastics, in particular--but also computer programming.

He's not very responsive through text--it's better in person or on the phone, but sometimes I keep feeling like we're missing each other in the dark. I'll tell him a story to try and make him laugh, but he won't, really, because he doesn't know the person. Or he won’t know what to say in reply to that, and stays silent, waiting for me to come up with another topic. Which also frustrates me, because I feel like he completely disregarded what I just said.

The S-mentality is an issue. I keep hoping that because it’s a long-distance relationship, the communication thing is just that, but I don’t know. What I love is how he makes my brain go quiet--I sometimes burn out just by thinking too much, and he calms me down. What I’m trying to get him to work on is the other times, when I’m excited about something and just want to talk about it. I hope it’s possible; that he’ll at least listen to me, or become interested, or something. I don’t think I’m boring him, but I think I’m getting bored. He doesn’t really like talking about philosophy or anything--he admitted himself he’d rather teach me a cartwheel than engage in a deep discussion. But he’s willing to go through it, and when I do pull him out of his shell, they’re worth it.

There are, I think, a lot of reasons for me to leave. He doesn’t really give me the emotional support I need, because he’s not good at it through text. I know it’s better in person, but I’m still not sure if that’s enough. When I’m angry/hurt/sad about something, he’ll redirect it to himself by being mean so that I have a more focused outlet with which to vent. And he can take it. But what he doesn’t understand is that instead of relieving it, he adds more to it. He doesn’t give enough reaffirmation and I worry, since he rarely talks about our relationship, that I’m annoying him with being too emotional/too energetic and he won’t say anything. We’ve agreed to talk about this the next time we see each other--the medium of the Internet, alas, does not hold up for this sort of communication.

But what keeps me is the fact that I sort of know he’s true. He wouldn’t drive for a total of three hours so he can see me for two. He wouldn’t sacrifice his sleep [he gets up two hours earlier than me, and I sleep about 5-6 hours each night] in order to try and help me through some problem that’s annoying me. It’s just that he doesn’t understand that I can’t take heart from the actions. I need to be told, but not too often, otherwise I’ll get bored. It’s a delicate balance.

Conclusion? ISTPs are great at the little gestures. Verbally, not so much. ENFPs might need to toughen up a little bit if they want it to work. Both parties should work on reaching a middle ground in terms of communication. I don’t know. Any questions? I’ve analyzed this relationship obsessively and I had to get it down somehow. xD

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03 Mar 2010 04:51 PM  
I've only ever known an ISTP in his 50s. He was my supervisor at a temp job in a mortgage office. I kind of guessed the letters of his type based on his mannerisms. When I thought I had it figured out, I read a really good description of the type that doesn't exist anymore - and I asked him as he walked by my cubicle if he was closet daredevil. The look my ESFJ coworker gave me from the next seat over was priceless, btw. I believe my question thoroughly entertained my supervisor, and he admitted that 10 years ago, he'd have gone skydiving....but as he got older, alot of those risks he used to take were less practical. I briefly explained why I'd asked, which amused him even more.

The one thing I could definitely say about my old supervisor at least.....he had a completely out-of-the-blue sense of humor. Most of the time he seemed very serious, but out of nowhere, he'd crack a joke with a straight face. O.O I remember one time commenting on a song on the radio being silly....and all of a sudden heard "That's my favorite song!" from his office.
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03 Mar 2010 05:08 PM  

Yeah. My boyfriend's humor is pretty offbeat. xD His timing is impeccable. He's pretty light-hearted, but I don't get to see him interact much around his friends. [Since they're all far away.] Which is something I really want to see; he's so different alone.

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03 Mar 2010 10:17 PM  

Hi there, I wonder if long distance relationships aren't especially hard for ISTPs to handle because of their introverted sensing.  Without you actually there with your guy, I think it is possible he might not be able to understand you properly or feel connected to you.  ISTPs focus a lot on what is immediately in front of them.  Why he won't go visit you, I don't have an answer for that. 

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04 Mar 2010 10:22 AM  
Mm, that makes sense...he's very focused on tasks that need to be completed, and generally when I'm talking to him on webcam, he'll be more engaged. We talked about this last night and he said that he could understand it--he'd put himself "in their shoes," so to speak, and he'd know what he'd do in their situation. And then once he knows, it's just that simple, and he doesn't need to wear their shoes any longer. Whereas the difference with me is, after I've put on their shoes, I don't necessarily focus on a plan of action. I run around. I bounce in these new shoes. I go through a list of possibilities but defer to their judgment, because I don't believe that I can fully access someone else's experience enough so that every decision I make while putting myself in their shoes is what they should, could, or would do.

Oh, and what I meant to say was that he would. xD He does do that--usually every week, since I can't. We're going out Sunday. What I meant to say is that he wouldn't do those things--drive up to see me, stay up late for me--if he didn't love me, and I can see it in his actions more than his words. I'm learning to appreciate that more.

Also, welcome to the forum! Be sure to post an introduction so I can pepper you with random questions. Thanks for the insight.
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05 Mar 2010 12:15 AM  
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Hi mealy welcome to the forum!

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Please remember that your ISTP isn't going to change much and that you have to love him for who he is. That you aren't going to get the Ni as much. (i think its their 3rd function) He'll also always be active and fun and logical. Being a T guy it will always be difficult for him to relate emotionally etc.

What I think I'm trying to get at is SO many women get into relationships not liking manifold aspects of their man's behavior and thinking he will change. This creates resentment makes this unpleasant for both parties.

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05 Mar 2010 12:34 AM  
Personally my ISTP boyfriend and I get along wonderfully... he doesn't show too much emotion verbally but he's very good at showing he's with me and cares about me as far as simple putting his arm around me or even his placement and body position when standing next to me; he's also wonderful at introducing me to his friends and family.
I'm actually extremely fond of the way he acts, although from time to time I do wish he'd just speak up and say what he thinks of me I also respect his wish to be silent and show it in other ways.
We're only a mildly long distance relationship, I don't consider it one but he does. He only lives an hour from me but due to money and his schooling we only see one another on the weekends. It drives me insane because my emotions make me a very physical person, I need that arm around me and that kiss on the forehead to reassure me... even if I trust him more than anyone else. But he's like me in the way that he knows it keeps us closer in the end, we don't fight at all... I mean, we argue, but it's that silly/cute arguing... we get along just fine.
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05 Mar 2010 12:40 AM  
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Welcome to the forum.

I have a friend who is an ISTP and we get along great too. I think that ENFP women can get along with ISTP men and ENFP men can get along with ISFJ women the best.

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05 Mar 2010 12:55 AM  
Probably correct.. the way I see it. Though I must say that my ESTP ex and I got along perfectly but we broke up because of extreme distance.
But yes, ISTP men and ENFP women for sure.
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05 Mar 2010 02:37 PM  
Oh, I don't want to change him. I love the way he thinks; I just wish I could hit upon a good strategy to get him to tell me more often. We also had a discussion about what "interested" us when we had conversations with each other, and now I'm afraid of boring him every single time I tell him a funny story about someone I know, because he doesn't find that interesting. He's more interested in my reactions, but I kind of balk at giving opinions because he rarely gives his, and I don't like being the one spoken "voice," since that implies that I'm totally right and that it's set in stone, when it's quite the opposite. It kind of hinders the conversation.
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07 Mar 2010 08:15 AM  

Oops, I totally misunderstood earlier!  Him travelling all that way for a little time with you makes me smile.  Your description of him being interested in your reactions to things and not telling you a whole lot about himself also makes me smile, because it might be type related, as I am an istp and I do that too.  By the way, I think it might be less that he's not interested in the stories so much as he *is* interested in you, so he'll focus the conversation back onto you, heh.  As for opening up, people have their own reasons for doing things and even one person can have many different reasons.. ESID... maybe just ask something if you want to know?  I hate to try to give advice, because then I feel responsible for the result.  But here is a pretty firm opinion, I do think the enfp/istp relationship is the best

Do other istp's ramble?  Anyway.  I love just being around enfps (hence my joining this forum), so:

@both Sakari and Saul, thank you for the welcome.  I'll post a likely equally rambling introduction. 

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07 Mar 2010 07:01 PM  
xD But I don't know when I'm boring him or not! Ever. And I'm not that interesting of a person. >.<

Haha, I'm glad you think so. Every single one of my friends tells me to break up with him, but I don't want to. I know he cares deeply, he just doesn't know how to show it. Now, how best to teach him? >.<

Hmm. He doesn't talk a lot except to call attention to the fact that I made yet another jump in the conversation, but he does ramble sometimes. And then he defends himself logically, claiming he didn't. Teehee.
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05 Jun 2010 11:00 PM  
I don't imagine an ENFP ever getting the assurance they crave in a long distance relationship, it feels like a cheap version. I have a guy friend in NY that I have been talking to that sounds a lot like your boyfriend. I don't know how many introverted people you have had in your life, but you either have to learn their language of love, maybe announce it when it happens for yourself: for example, if my mom buys me dinner I'll announce that she spoils me or when my guy friend calls me exactly when he said he would or gives a listening ear to my whining about all the mean people I recognize he cares. It's like reading between the lines with an introverted personality. Now, if this repeatedly is an unsatisfying relationship even if you try to articulate his gestures into words of how he loves you to see how he responds, then maybe it isn't for you. Your girlfriends will only agree with what you seem to be saying. You have the blessing of the clarity of space in a long distance relationship-maybe use it.
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01 Apr 2011 04:35 PM  
I'm an ITSP and I'm dating an ENFP, we rarly talk about deep subjects, it's usually just funny comments or lighthearted conversations. How do I get him to open up?
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