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18 Nov 2009 11:00 PM  

 I had this friend who recently got fed up with, im not sure what is personality type is but i think he is an ISTJ

Has any other ENFP had trouble with this type or is it just me?

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19 Nov 2009 07:28 AM  
Don't even get sbalbom started XD

I tend to wear on the nerves of any type after a while. If they don't run screaming, it's a friendship ^_^ Not everyone of every type is going to be the same, though, so don't discount every ISTJ simply because things didn't work out here. Personalitycafe is full of people who can't stand certain types because of one bad experience. An INFP out there ripped into me for being "stuck on myself" and "thinking I was the hottest thing ever"....because she had worked with an ENFP who behaved that way and now can't perceive any female ENFP as not having those traits. O.o

Use it as a learning experience. Figure out what it was that didn't work.....in most cases it's lack of communication, trust, or compromise....or a combination of the 3.
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19 Nov 2009 08:12 AM  
Don't even get sbalbom started XD


LOL.... yea not getting started.

I agree with Alysaria, anyone can make friends with any type. I have several guy friends who are "S": ISTP, ESTP, ESFP, ISFJ. What I find is that very few S types can transcend their type or mature as well as Ns. In regards to ISTJs. You can be friends but frankly you speak two different languages, different world views therefore have different outlooks on life. I was married to an ISTJ and if we were both more mature we may stilled be married.

What is funny is I find myself at first very attracted to the ISTJ girls. I just met one last month at a political event. They are usually in some type of sciences field or engineering and are very smart, T and logical. They are S women so they usually look more attractive then N girls (pay attention to makeup & hair). But in the end.... I run for the hills. Conflict and disagreement is VERY difficult to solve with an ENFP-ISTJ.
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19 Nov 2009 11:29 AM  
My x-friend is a male & he constantly made me feel like an idiot anything he had was always better his computer his bank his car anytime we got into an argument i was always the problem i always did something wrong never him. the final 2 straw is kinda a long story, 1st straw we had an disagreement over what a club advisor does 2nd straw he had the ordasity to text my mom saying i started trouble!

im not saying all INSJ are like that (just to put it out there)
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19 Nov 2009 02:31 PM  
"Its not that you are wrong Saul, its that I'm always right." - sbalbom's ex-ISTJ

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20 Nov 2009 06:01 PM  

What a classic Saul It turns out that Saul and I have both married to brilliant ISTJs who turned out to be more or less the same person... ISTJs are loyal, smart people, but it's hard for Ns to communicate with them. And in my experience they see you as a threat and your unique, creative ideas get shot down for being unrealistic or just plain 'stupid'. Or you get the classic ISTJ defense Saul mentioned; they have to be right. Sometimes I wonder if they thrive on putting other people down in order to feel better themselves. Not very attractive. Anyways, you can put up with it for a while and then you see clearly and you leave. I have ISTJ girlfriends who I like and who I've never had any trouble with, except they bore me and I don't find them very stimulating. There's history between us though, so I'll continue to be friends with them.

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20 Nov 2009 07:12 PM  
My ex-friend when i finally stood up from myself he got pissed off @ me then txt my mother & asked her if there was something wrong w/me
this is still recent im still workin on venting im afraid if i talk 2 him i'll lose my cool
My other friend thinks i should have ended the friendship a long time ago
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22 Nov 2009 12:57 PM  
I watched the first episode of the new USA series White Collar....and the main character on the side of the law (Peter) is a massive ISTJ. I haven't figured out the conman (Neal) yet....but he's definitely a P. "[Neal] quickly befriends well-to-do widow June and trades in his FBI provided motel-room for her palatial Manhattan mansion. June also outfits Neal with a closet full of her late husband's designer suits. Neal is definitely living the good life, much to Peter's chagrin." Basically, Peter has this moment where he's freaking out over what people should and shouldn't be allowed to have. Peter works his job, earns honest money, and has a house that matches his means. It doesn't make sense to him that anyone should have something they haven't earned - that you just don't get beautiful houses like that to drop into your lap, with amazing views, perfect food, and a hot grand-daughter to spend time with. Of course, Neal's response is "Why not?"

To the ISTJ, life is very black and white. Leading with introverted sensing (Si) means that they see things as very concrete, but in their own internal structure. Their secondary function is extroverted thinking(Te), which tries to organize the outside world. Like INTJs, the ISTJ has a tendency to perceive expected behavior in others. Si says that A is A and is always A. An apple is an apple and is always an apple. People are simplified and categorized the same way in the ISTJ mind. Te demands that everything in the outside world be organized and make sense. An ISTJ is comfortable with an unchanging situation that they don't see any problems with....which is why issues have to be addressed with them early and in a non-emotional way. Once they've become content with the way things are, they'd rather not see any problems and will deny them outright when they do show up. Introverted feeling (Fi) and extroverted intuition (Ne) are their weakest functions.....so they tend to be uncomfortable with emotional displays and not in-tune with their own need for internal harmony - it's easier to ignore a problem than have to deal with the messy work of self-analysis, meditating, and working through it. And Ne is alien territory for an ISTJ. They'd rather stick with what's familiar than take the risk involved with exercising a function that is flawed simply for being the weakest of the four. Ne to an ISTJ is more like fantasy....and relying on it as a major function the way ENFPs do is a horrifying prospect for someone who sees it as a liability in themselves.

Lay things out on the line as soon as possible with ISTJs and ESTJs. Both types are pragmatic problem-solvers. If they see the issue, they're very good at coming up with a simple, practical answer. Let them know you understand their need for 1. Quiet alone time, 2. Structure and organization - make an effort to make plans ahead of time...and let them have a hand in preparing a loose schedule, 3. Distance from emotional outburts - if you're having a bad day, excuse yourself to go get sympathy from friends who aren't as uncomfortable with moods - this isn't the case with every ISTJ - it depends on their experience with different kinds of people and just how uncomfortable it makes them.

But also make sure they know that 1. a change in your behavior doesn't mean there's anything wrong - you will do your best to explain the situation if you can, but you tend to react more as an ENFP than an ISTJ does. 2. Be independent and understand that ENFPs need to have flexibility and possibilities - trying to box us in with what we can't do or with what we should do is the surest way to make us miserable
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12 Jan 2010 02:52 PM  
I have found that ISTJs often have this quirky side interest that belies their straight-arrow appearance. One I know loves the Grateful Dead, and another is into comedy and finding cheap ethnic places to eat.
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