I'm not really good at introductions, but instead I think I could give you a piece of my mind.

So basicly speaking I'm mad like hell. People, work, politics, system you name it, drives me up the wall. Everywhere I look there is insanity going on. And the craziest part of it all is that I'm apparently not able to do anything about it. No matter how many solutions I come up with, people just want to whine about it. I think they do not want solutions. They just let the problem exist today so they could whine about it tomorrow. I mean what else should have I done? I researched, analyzed all for you and even had a nerve to tell you how, and you still want to whine about it. Why? Maybe I just should pass you a gun to put a bullet in your head to end your misery? Whats the matter with the people? I just can't take this anymore.

Compatibility is subjective. Every person has personal preferences for friends and mates that can correspond to type, but it's not universal.

Value is also subjective. Different people have a different idea of what a happy, fulfilled life involves. For some, it's just being content with a spouse and children. For others it's making a difference in the world. Being efficient and making the best of everything is noble, but it's not going to be the goal that every person desires. I'd love every person to be at least content, but that's not feasible. Most of what I do on the forums is give advice on how to deal with people...it's a different subject, but along the same lines as far as offering advice. It's frustrating when it gets ignored, but I can't force someone to take it....they may bang their head against the same wall forever, but I can only do so much. You can't force someone to make their life easier...and sometimes it's the struggles that make people eventually take steps to better themselves and their situations. Sometimes those struggles even provide the person incentive to reach a potential they could not have imagined possible.

You are despairing over things which are outside of your control. If you keep up this way, you will become a very unhappy person. You should spend your energy on things which are inside your control. You can make a difference on the things inside your reach. You can make a difference on yourself, your family, your friends, your colleges, and sometimes even the people you meet on the street. You can choose to live your life as a sign. Other people may see the sign. People who can not see the sign are just not ready yet. There is a lot you can do. But if you keep focusing on the things that you cannot change - then you have chosen the path of the person who does not change anything and is constantly unhappy about it. 

No man was made to carry the world on his shoulders.

Posted By TheJan on 30 Nov 2011 05:00 PM

You are despairing over things which are outside of your control. If you keep up this way, you will become a very unhappy person. You should spend your energy on things which are inside your control. You can make a difference on the things inside your reach. You can make a difference on yourself, your family, your friends, your colleges, and sometimes even the people you meet on the street. You can choose to live your life as a sign. Other people may see the sign. People who can not see the sign are just not ready yet. There is a lot you can do. But if you keep focusing on the things that you cannot change - then you have chosen the path of the person who does not change anything and is constantly unhappy about it. 

No man was made to carry the world on his shoulders.

I understand that. I just can't find the people with the similar mindset. How can I meet so many people (job, university, other places) and have nobody even close to what I ca see. This is ridiculous. I mean I probably even met other ENTJs and even they failed. How can that be possible? This is madness. People will do just about any stupid thing to prolong their stupid lives, but never try to find out why the things happen the way they happen and maybe even find a solution to their own misery? Look, I understand that in order for people to understand what I'm talking about, they have to be left with nothing. Absolutely nothing. But does it have to be that much painful? Why people don't act before it's too late? I suppose this is what humans are all about. A pathetic bunch of eaters who can't see the forest for the trees. And when the time comes to pay for all the wrongdoings, blood flows like a river, and people destroy the things that they need to rebuild later. It's a zero sum game.

Posted By alysaria on 30 Nov 2011 05:26 PM
And you overestimate the people in control if you think they're smart enough to brainwash anyone. Politicians are a bunch of grumpy people who yell at each other all day and never listen to anything but money. Corporations just want money and could care less about what people believe or think as long as they provide that money. It's the people who don't care about money that you need to worry about.....zealots are scary folks.

What?  They have been brainwashing people minds for centuries if not millenia. Only fools belive that feudalism ended with French Revolution. It's them who want the sheeple to belive that they have freedom of choice. The politicians are there to let you know that you have a freedom of choice. And you belive they will bring you a change? It will never happen. Never ever. Forget about it. It's what you do as a person or group that matters. Everything outside of it is baloony. If you live in the states, you can see the brainwashed sheeple getting grouped on checkpoints beliving that this is for their security while getting cooked by radiation scattering naked scanners. Their pension funds are all emptied and they dont know about. They brazenly empty people bank accounts and tell you you cant do anything about. Hell, they even caused this worldwide economic crsis that we have never left since 2008. And you know what? They are laughing behind their teeth. And you tell me that I underestimate the sheeple? No. It is you who underestimate the power of the feudals. Just like your fathers did.

I understand that

I am going to be blunt: No you don't. If you would have understood what i meant, you would have stopped to complain, because complaining makes you focus on negatives. Complaining makes you focus on what you want to avoid, not what you can do. If you are focusing on what you want to avoid, you will not change anything. Basically all you have done in this thread is spouting negatives and complaining. Come up with a solution for once, or accept that there are things you cannot change and focus on finding a solution for things that you can change.

One example why complaining is bad: For example, people complain that they cannot reach a goal in time because XYZ, and because they complain they make sure that they cannot reach their goal in time, since their complaining makes them focused on complaining, instead of reaching their goal. Of course, to defend themelves, they then say that it was because XYZ (like they said before), and nothing ever changes.

 As for the people that are missing in your life: You say that the people you meet "fail" (i guess that means to you that you won't associate with those lowly failers?). Everyone has faults. Me, you, your family, the people on the street, etc. To find people who don't "fail" is, again, trying to reach a goal that you cannot reach. Everyone has both bad and good inside them. If you only see how people "fail"... then they will always stay non-compatible people for you. Since everyone is different, you probably won't find anyone with the exact moral code like you have. Try to find common ground instead of seeing how they "fail". 

...from your posts i gather that your are ENTJ? Hey, i know how hard it is for Te dominants to let go of a project/goal. Keep in mind that retreating and winning another day on a different battlefield is much smarter than going into a battle and loosing. Only choose battles you can win.

Ok if you really want to change something in the world: Earn a lot of money to become powerful, then use that power to accomplish whatever you want. But if you want to change the whole system, then you have to have more power than everyone else combined. Congratulations, you wanted to abolish Aristocracy and introduced Despotism. People will revolt against you, and they will abolish Despotism and introduce Democracy. From those people, however, some will become more powerful than the rest, and those will rule over the others, essentially abolishing Democracy and introducing Aristocracy. It is a never ending circle. And even the Romans knew it already. It is human nature.

Sometimes i think that Isocracy was the best state form (Athens). It was totally random and everyone had the same chance to be elected. Therefore there were not any real "full-time-politicians" they were all normal people. Rome was an Aristocracy (the senate) which turned into a Despotism. USA is a traditional Democracy which turned into an Aristocracy (bosses of big firms having much power for example, they are the modern aristocrats)... and is (very) slowly turning into a Despotism. But don't worry, people will revolt, and USA will have Democracy again.

Hanlon's Razor - "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

I submit Fox News as my only evidence and don't think it requires any explanation.

Posted By TheJan on 01 Dec 2011 05:01 AM

...from your posts i gather that your are ENTJ? Hey, i know how hard it is for Te dominants to let go of a project/goal. Keep in mind that retreating and winning another day on a different battlefield is much smarter than going into a battle and loosing. Only choose battles you can win.

Answer to the question is yes. I still have a hope that battle for humanity isn't a lost battle yet. Well at least in concept that they can group up and become strong. Why? Because this is exactly what happens when difficult times kick in. A battle it is, but is it lost? Who knows? I hope not yet. Look in the history of how people start taking care of each other around them in difficult times. They cooperate with each other on such a great level that it gives them an additional strenght over their individual power. I mean if you combined their indiviual power, it is not a match for many people cooperating. For example, a 10 powerful individuals all alone are not a match for a 10 cooperating poor smart people. Cooperation gives a great boost to them on such an unprecendent level, that they can easily outmanevour the stronger opponent and take what they want. Those 10 people individually are nothing. But combined they can outmanevour a stronger opponent who can with a stroke of a finger wipe them off from the face of the planet. Hell, they can even pick them one by one and overpower them individually (because the opponents do not cooperate), and still be victorious. This is the true source of power. This is what makes nations strong. Groups strong. Only this way we can ensure that our strong sides are materialised and weak sides are compensated by people with us. This is how people survive on this planet. Not individually. Individually you are weak. Even probably very hopless. Which is exactly what people today are. But if they know how to watch each others back, they are unstopable force. And they can get wahtever they want as long as they cooperate with each other. This is my solution. And this is working solution. You don't really expect me to just simply give that up and walk away so easily don't you? This is the only way for individuals to have a decent life.

Posted By TheJan on 01 Dec 2011 05:01 AM

Ok if you really want to change something in the world: Earn a lot of money to become powerful, then use that power to accomplish whatever you want. But if you want to change the whole system, then you have to have more power than everyone else combined. Congratulations, you wanted to abolish Aristocracy and introduced Despotism. People will revolt against you, and they will abolish Despotism and introduce Democracy. From those people, however, some will become more powerful than the rest, and those will rule over the others, essentially abolishing Democracy and introducing Aristocracy. It is a never ending circle. And even the Romans knew it already. It is human nature.

Sometimes i think that Isocracy was the best state form (Athens). It was totally random and everyone had the same chance to be elected. Therefore there were not any real "full-time-politicians" they were all normal people. Rome was an Aristocracy (the senate) which turned into a Despotism. USA is a traditional Democracy which turned into an Aristocracy (bosses of big firms having much power for example, they are the modern aristocrats)... and is (very) slowly turning into a Despotism. But don't worry, people will revolt, and USA will have Democracy again.

I'm not a fan of fancy political systems. Communism Socialism, Despotism, Aristocracy....hell...even national prides mean nothing for me. This is what I belive. If a person or group of people can maximize their potential under any system, then this system is the correct system. I personally do not even belive in democracy. Hell, I didn't come to this world to be ruled by bunch of idiots who happen to be elected by the majority. I came here to live by my own rules....which may even disagree with majority. I'm not putting up with their crap.

Posted By Nadette on 01 Dec 2011 07:24 AM
Don't waste time being futilely angry.

You know, being angry could also mean something beyound what could be considered as a futile. For example, an anger from person could be perceived as a distress. Could be not? I mean if a person is angry, other people ask themselves "Why this person is angry?". Nobody said that anger was a proposition for discussion. But it is. I don't know how, but we all respond to distresss of other people. We wish to know why. Perhaps because we are driven by fear. Fear asks us to know more about that person in distress so we could better prepare ourselves in case the same distress happens to us. Some of you might think this is a call for attention. Maybe it is. But it also means that a person wishes to receive answers. Why things happen the way they are. Perhaps you have an explaination. Perhaps it is not as futile as it may seem? Hmm?

Posted By alysaria on 01 Dec 2011 11:22 AM

Hanlon's Razor - "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

I submit Fox News as my only evidence and don't think it requires any explanation.

Yes, it's obnoxious to have to deal with TSA agents in the airport....unfortunately, when someone decides to fill their cookies with C4, everyone loses snack time. There is enough real conspiracy with the violence people inflict on each other daily for the sake of a deity who'd probably bitchslap them in the afterlife rather than rewarding them. Hitler thought he was chosen by God to "fix the world"....obviously recent terrorist attacks were religion-based....and don't even get me started on the Inquisition. >< The Cold War got our country a little more entwined in religion (and fear of the OTHER) than America was supposed to be....and it still is, but not to the extent where people are encouraged to be poor for the sake of their immortal souls by the government. If that were the case, why would they need Welfare? Wouldn't it be enough to be rewarded in the afterlife for their suffering?

(I know I'm focusing on a minor detail of the whole argument. XD It's partially something I've been in rant-mode about, so it gets to come out and play as a debate)