I come in peace.

Which is rare, for me.

First, a poem:

You hear yourself echoed, echoed, echoed,
You see yourself reflected, crystal clear,
Ever chasing the sounds of past footsteps,
Mirrored, mirrored. Madly: ‘Where is my source?’

No source: mirrors mirroring. No sounds now.
Only echoed wails of dying worlds: past selves.
smic tail-chasing. Selves ever born anew
But never long-lived, suffocated by
Unburnt corpses insisting upon Co

Beyond, she the canvas ever accepting,
And you the artist ever creating,
Dancing lovers, dancers living, breathing,
You ravage her, she is always virgin,
You are unfaithful, leaving her for her,
She will ever be whatever you see,

You lust after her. You chase after her.
Stop. She is here.
You think of her. You wish for her.
Stop. She is your thinking. She is your wishing.
You think her too precious. You think her pure.
She is. But all-acceptance makes her pure.
She is, purely, a whore. Enjoy her now.

Echoes come later (you have no later)

Mirrors mirror your source (you have no source)

Save future for your past (you have no past)


Now—be with her.



Second, I've been trying to work out what type I am for over a year. The various conclusions that I have come to, in order of tenability, are:
INTJ
INTP INFP
ENFP INFJ



I've come to the conclusion that I'm too abnormal for the MBTI's 16 types to accommodate. Defective or transcendent, depending upon my mood at the time.

My attempts at mystical self-annihilation have just made the whole situation even more absurdly complex than it was before. I declared war on all advocates of the MBTI at one point (as proved by the resulting carnage), but I am now at peace with this noble system of abstraction, despite its fundamental flaws (which I will spare you, dear ENFPs, the trouble of detailing).

"INTJ/INTP/INFP hybrid" is probably the most accurate possible description of my type.

I also hypnotised myself into being an ENFP for a week (no, really). I scared everybody around me to death and made lots of friends. Those types of things don't last, though.

So I'm a melancholic poet again, now.


ANYWAY, I love ENFPs. They're my favorite people in the world. The best person I've ever met was an ENFP girl. More about her later.

Hail Eris!

ROFL! Welcome to the party. ^_^ You'll fit right in around these parts. Plus, you're a new puzzle to study at length. Hooray! Lovely poem.
And YAY FOR CHAOS!

Welcome, Silver, Dionysus lives here


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus

>.> Does that make me a Maenad?

Posted By alysaria on 18 Aug 2009 07:41 AM
ROFL! Welcome to the party. ^_^ You'll fit right in around these parts. Plus, you're a new puzzle to study at length. Hooray! Lovely poem.
And YAY FOR CHAOS!

AND CHAOS WE SHALL CREATE!

I mean, er, hi. You seem like a fun person. The trouble with studying me is that I'm reflective. Like the things in my poem

I highly recommend my autobiography as a source of insights into my labyrinthine character, though.

Ah, sweet self-obsession.

Welcome, Silver, Dionysus lives here

This post made me gasp. The only possible conclusions I can come to wrt it are:

1.You are psychic
2.You read my autobiography thread first, and made an amazingly clever deduction as to what mythological characters I empathise with
3.You knew me on another forum where I used that as my name, and, by means of an extraordinarily powerful associative memory, recognised me by some detail of my posts so far
4.Amazing coincidence
5.You are so insightful with regards to people that you can determine their mythological interests from their writing style. In which case you should be burned as a witch.

>.> You sure you aren't an ENFJ then?

ENFJ's have an unusual ability to relate to others with empathy, taking into themselves the characteristics, emotions, and beliefs of others. This can pose a danger for ENFJ's because they can unconsciously over-identify with others and pick up their burdens as if they were their own. In the process, ENFJ's may risk their own sense of identity. They have a natural ability to mimic because of this highly developed ability to empathize by introjection. They are likely to be very concerned about the problems of those close to them, but they also may get as deeply involved in the problems of those not so close and may find themselves over-extended emotionally.

I'm extra introverted, usually.

I'm extra introverted, usually.

http://www.geocities.com/lifexplore/enfj.htm

I dunno. Take a look. As an ENFP, I know I need my alone time to really center myself, regardless of being extraverted. It isn't necessarily that you HAVE to be around people. My mom is an ESTJ and she's practically anti-social...it's *doing things* that gives her energy. She reads. She goes for walks. She exercises. But when it comes to sitting still and just thinking...and not have the possibility of any social contact at all.... -shudders- That sucks the life out of me.

"INTJ/INTP/INFP hybrid" is probably the most accurate possible description of my type.

If you can't pick just one type, then you can scratch INTJ from the list. You seem like an INFP to me.

I dunno....INFPs strike me as *slightly* more subdued around new people. >.> Not arguing for INTJ...just saying.

Very interesting poem. I'm quite excited to hear the other things you have to say, here. These ENFPs are quite awesome, and a lot of fun.

Posted By alysaria on 18 Aug 2009 08:47 AM

I'm extra introverted, usually.

http://www.geocities.com/lifexplore/enfj.htm

I dunno. Take a look. As an ENFP, I know I need my alone time to really center myself, regardless of being extraverted. It isn't necessarily that you HAVE to be around people. My mom is an ESTJ and she's practically anti-social...it's *doing things* that gives her energy. She reads. She goes for walks. She exercises. But when it comes to sitting still and just thinking...and not have the possibility of any social contact at all.... -shudders- That sucks the life out of me.

lol . I tried to make it fit-- I really did, just for you. But it doesn't. At all

I rarely, rarely emerge from my contemplation and momentarily become super bouncy, but I always deflate and return to my contemplation rather quickly. It is lonely though, which gets to me quite a lot.

If you can't pick just one type, then you can scratch INTJ from the list. You seem like an INFP to me.

See, I've heard this said very often. But it implies an agreement with the fundamental methodological basis of the MBTI, the absence of which could cause any developed NT to withold a decision. I think that I simply don't fit into the model (i.e. the MBTI is not perfect), but that INTJ is the type which most closely approximates my function.
I did, though, have an immediate ''intuition'' that the MBTI, in its current form, is incomplete and thus partially innacurate. I came to this understanding before analysing the structure thorougly, which suggests something of Ni, no?
I can't accept that those of a type attributed to Newton and Nietzsche would decisively place themselves in one of 16 categories regardless of the conceptual validity of those categories, or of the inability of any one of those categories to encompess the entirety of their function.

Having said that, I er... test INXP. So you're probably right.

Very interesting poem. I'm quite excited to hear the other things you have to say, here. These ENFPs are quite awesome, and a lot of fun.

You're starting to look like an INTP. They waffle on about stuff, just like you.

It's fun!

Blah! When all else fails, check the functions.

INFP

Introverted Feeling
INFPs live primarily in a rich inner world of introverted Feeling. Being inward-turning, the natural attraction is away from world and toward essence and ideal. This introversion of dominant Feeling, receiving its data from extraverted intuition, must be the source of the quixotic nature of these usually gentle beings. Feeling is caught in the approach- avoidance bind between concern both for people and for All Creatures Great and Small, and a psycho-magnetic repulsion from the same. The "object," be it homo sapiens or a mere representation of an organism, is valued only to the degree that the object contains some measure of the inner Essence or greater Good. Doing a good deed, for example, may provide intrinsic satisfaction which is only secondary to the greater good of striking a blow against Man's Inhumanity to Mankind.

Extraverted iNtuition
Extraverted intuition faces outward, greeting the world on behalf of Feeling. What the observer usually sees is creativity with implied good will. Intuition spawns this type's philosophical bent and strengthens pattern perception. It combines as auxiliary with introverted Feeling and gives rise to unusual skill in both character development and fluency with language--a sound basis for the development of literary facility. If INTPs aspire to word mechanics, INFPs would be verbal artists.

INTP

Introverted Thinking
Introverted Thinking strives to extract the essence of the Idea from various externals that express it. In the extreme, this conceptual essence wants no form or substance to verify its reality. Knowing the Truth is enough for INTPs; the knowledge that this truth can (or could) be demonstrated is sufficient to satisfy the knower. "Cogito, ergo sum" expresses this prime directive quite succinctly.

In seasons of low energy level, or moments of single-minded concentration, the INTP is aloof and detached in a way that might even offend more relational or extraverted individuals.

Extraverted iNtuition
Intuition softens and socializes Thinking, fleshing out the brittle bones of truths formed in the dominant inner world. That which is is not negotiable; yet actual application diffuses knowledge to the extent that knowledge needs qualification and context to be of any consequence in this foreign world of substance.

If Thinking can desist, the INTP is free to brainstorm, calling up the perceptions of the unconscious (i.e., intuition) which are mirrored in patterns in the realm of matter, time and space. These perceptions, in the form of theories or hunches, must ultimately defer to the inner principles, or at least they must not negate them.

Intuition unchained gives birth to play. INTPs enjoy games, formal or impromptu, which coax analogies, patterns and theories from the unseen into spontaneous expression in a way that defies their own comprehension.

INTJ

Introverted iNtuition
INTJs are idea people. Anything is possible; everything is negotiable. Whatever the outer circumstances, INTJs are ever perceiving inner pattern-forms and using real-world materials to operationalize them. Others may see what is and wonder why; INTJs see what might be and say "Why not?!" Paradoxes, antinomies, and other contradictory phenomena aptly express these intuitors' amusement at those whom they feel may be taking a particular view of reality too seriously. INTJs enjoy developing unique solutions to complex problems.

Extraverted Thinking
Thinking in this auxiliary role is a workhorse. Closure is the payoff for efforts expended. Evaluation begs diagnosis; product drives process. As they come to light, Thinking tends, protects, affirms and directs iNtuition's offspring, fully equipping them for fulfilling and useful lives. A faithful pedagogue, Thinking argues not so much on its own behalf, but in defense of its charges. And through this process these impressionable ideas take on the likeness of their master.

INFJ

Introverted iNtuition
Introverted intuitives, INFJs enjoy a greater clarity of perception of inner, unconscious processes than all but their INTJ cousins. Just as SP types commune with the object and "live in the here and now" of the physical world, INFJs readily grasp the hidden psychological stimuli behind the more observable dynamics of behavior and affect. Their amazing ability to deduce the inner workings of the mind, will and emotions of others gives INFJs their reputation as prophets and seers. Unlike the confining, routinizing nature of introverted sensing, introverted intuition frees this type to act insightfully and spontaneously as unique solutions arise on an event by event basis.

Extraverted Feeling
Extraverted feeling, the auxiliary deciding function, expresses a range of emotion and opinions of, for and about people. INFJs, like many other FJ types, find themselves caught between the desire to express their wealth of feelings and moral conclusions about the actions and attitudes of others, and the awareness of the consequences of unbridled candor. Some vent the attending emotions in private, to trusted allies. Such confidants are chosen with care, for INFJs are well aware of the treachery that can reside in the hearts of mortals. This particular combination of introverted intuition and extraverted feeling provides INFJs with the raw material from which perceptive counselors are shaped.

ENFP

Extraverted iNtuition
The physical world, both geos and kosmos, is the ENFP's primary source of information. Rather than sensing things as they are, dominant intuition is sensitive to things as they might be. These extraverted intuitives are most adept with patterns and connections. Their natural inclination is toward relationships, especially among people or living things.

Intuition leans heavily on feeling for meaning and focus. Its best patterns reflect the interesting points of people, giving rise to caricatures of manner, speech and expression.

Introverted Feeling
Auxiliary feeling is nonverbally implied more often than it is openly expressed. When expressed, this logic has an aura of romance and purity that may seem out of place in this flawed, imperfect world. In its own defense, feeling judgement frequently and fleetly gives way to humor. ENFPs who publicize their feelings too often may put off some of the crowd of friends they naturally attract.

!halB

INTJ is the closest fit, most definitely. It's still damn loose, though. It kind of fits in terms of the processes, but not in terms of the usual adjectives and auxillary traits (I don't mean auxillary functions) attributed to INTJs.

But I really do recommend the second chapter of my autobiography thread (posted on this forum) for insight into how I made myself so damn difficult to categorise .

But I really do recommend the second chapter of my autobiography thread (posted on this forum) for insight into how I made myself so damn difficult to categorise

Well thats ok we still love you. Once you know what you are... I think INFP or ENFP. I'll give you your tag

Posted By sbalbom on 19 Aug 2009 11:36 AM

But I really do recommend the second chapter of my autobiography thread (posted on this forum) for insight into how I made myself so damn difficult to categorise

Well thats ok we still love you. Once you know what you are... I think INFP or ENFP. I'll give you your tag

Hmm . I can decide who I am? And be loved either way? What a novelty!

I'll get back to you soon.

You wouldn't happen to be parading around again on intpforum as a 'damaged.goods', now, would you? I was rather hoping to hear about Eastern philosophy from someone who was serious

Posted By cryptonia on 25 Aug 2009 07:29 PM
You wouldn't happen to be parading around again on intpforum as a 'damaged.goods', now, would you? I was rather hoping to hear about Eastern philosophy from someone who was serious

No, but I was PollyIsAQueen. I actually only signed up to post on snowqueen's profile, and thought I wouldn't last a day. I didn't think I'd sign in again. Then I did, for the novelty. Then I thought up the most ridiculous intro thread I could... and people actually took it seriously. I mean, it was clearly the most absurd and objectionable thing ever written. How could anybody take it seriously enough to respond?

p.s. Just went to look at a couple of posts of the user you mentioned. Whatever gave you that idea?