er..... honestly, the only thing I can see that's not really you in her is the broken english. Usually you like to show off your eloquence, but that character doesn't do that. Besides that, you can pick just about anything about her, and it looks like something you'd do for one of your characters.

Posted By cryptonia on 26 Aug 2009 06:53 AM
er..... honestly, the only thing I can see that's not really you in her is the broken english. Usually you like to show off your eloquence, but that character doesn't do that. Besides that, you can pick just about anything about her, and it looks like something you'd do for one of your characters.

I have become disillusioned with you. Go away, bully

How... legitimately confusing. Which part upset you?

You crushed silver's free spirit under the heel of logic.

er..... honestly, the only thing I can see that's not really you in her is the broken english. Usually you like to show off your eloquence, but that character doesn't do that. Besides that, you can pick just about anything about her, and it looks like something you'd do for one of your characters.

You are dead and deadening, yea, you are as a plague upon the vitality of experience and a stifling rain upon the first sparks of the fire of creation. I am the avatar of life of and thus I will fight the internal stupor which your represent.



You see this girl? She is the Faustian spirit at the heart of creative humanity; she is the lust for ecstatic annihilation in the infinitesimal and the infinite, the immediate and the eternal. She strives upwards towards oblivion, she is pulled downwards towards the ecstasy of union with that which is beyond herself. Ye she cannot reach either. Why?

Because of you, cryptonia. You are the bat. The gnawing, grasping, hovering, unfeeling bat that keeps her from the oblivion below by refusing to forget itself and its petty-battish pseudoreason; the bat that doesn't even realise the wonders it could bring to its fellow life-form if only it ascended into the oblivion of above.

She is the Dionysus, Faustus, Hecate, Oblivion's estranged lover.

You are tiny order and petty human grasping, fearful human organisation of concepts and perpetual schismatic recategorisation of experience. You are the inhumane yet not beyond-human Ti which ever struggles and strains to force the world into its inadequate little structures, devoid as they are of the expansive wonder of the cosmos.

She is the creative ecstasy, the lusting for that beyond self, the lusting for the stars above and the infinity within. You are the restricting force-- the binding and fearfulness and snagging and ever-naysaying-- which keeps her from achieving either. The restrictive Ti, the death of Ni. Niiiiiii!!!! NiiIIii1i1iiI!!!!I11I!!




You see that beautiful girl, cryptonia? That passion and lust and rage and ecstasy and union in mutual death into the other? She is human divinity incarnate. You, you are the glass which she claws against. You are the glass of restriction and snag and bind and hold which keeps her from union with her lover. You are the INTiTiTiTi little categories and anti-vitality and lack of empathy which unknowingly prevents the dissolution of split human pain into unified posthuman love. NINININin1in1in1!!!!IniNIiiii1!!!!!1


NIiiiiiiIIiIIIiIIIiiii1!IIi!!!!

To ye who have been in the presence of an INTP, and to yae who have conversed with an INTJ:
that liveliness you see in the eye of the Ne-Neing INTP, that is a an estranged autistic child of a cold rejecting mother. That simple reservedness in the eye of the INTJ, that is the loved yet timid starborn child of a divinity within. The little liveliness of the INTP's exterior is the burning flame of the INTJ's interior. The little coldness of the INTJ's exterior is the deadening restriction of the INTP's interior.

Thus it is has been spoken, sisters. The INTP is the anithesis of true life, true unfettered perception, true lust and passion and *humanity*! He is the restricting, nullifying condom that sullies the original beauty and integrity of sex; the itchy contact lens that keeps the naked eye from the stars and the sky; the little restriction and discouragement that atrophies the creativity of the child.

Yay, these are grave mysteries I speak to you, sisters of they holy order or the Silver Lawn.




I mean... your post really made me sad.


''Usually you like to show off your eloquence''. !? I usually write how I write, because I must and because I lust to say what I must and because I must say what I must. My post above is a demonstration of ''showing off eloquence'', just so you know the difference.

Hymn to Cryptonia:

Yae Cryptonia the great and benevolent, Cryptonia the mighty and white and very very shiny.
Cryptonia he who has given us light and life and in our darkness turned on the light switch on
the wall next to the bed.
Yae Cryptonia who has shown us the light of truth and logic in our darkness of animal passion and unrestrained beastliness.
Cryponia the key to the crypt of knowledge.
Yay truly cryptonia most benevolent revealer of the mysteries.
Cryptonia the right, the bright, the might.
Cryptonia, yae, Cryptonia, he who banishes trite.

well... I searched my irc logs high and low seeking out the first time we ever spoke to each other there, but doing a ctrl+f on "xiii" brought up no results... so you must have used a different name or, we talked before I ever started logging chats, or something.

Nevertheless, I would like to return to you the same thing you said to me, if you remember well enough. You had said... er... something--I can't remember what, exactly, but I took something you said to be extra-literally in an attempt to coax out some sort of intelligent discussion (since, as you know, it doesn't exist in that room normally). You said something along the lines of "I was using that as the figure of speech it commonly refers to. We're not all robots, you know." I was a little disappointed, because it thwarted my attempts to push the conversation in there to a different level, lol.

Either way, you were right. People are not robots. Methinks you read "like to show off" more literally than I had thought about it.

Posted By cryptonia on 27 Aug 2009 05:10 AM
well... I searched my irc logs high and low seeking out the first time we ever spoke to each other there, but doing a ctrl+f on "xiii" brought up no results... so you must have used a different name or, we talked before I ever started logging chats, or something.

Nevertheless, I would like to return to you the same thing you said to me, if you remember well enough. You had said... er... something--I can't remember what, exactly, but I took something you said to be extra-literally in an attempt to coax out some sort of intelligent discussion (since, as you know, it doesn't exist in that room normally). You said something along the lines of "I was using that as the figure of speech it commonly refers to. We're not all robots, you know." I was a little disappointed, because it thwarted my attempts to push the conversation in there to a different level, lol.

Either way, you were right. People are not robots. Methinks you read "like to show off" more literally than I had thought about it.

You silly heffelump, my last 3 posts were just jokes which I knew I could only play on somebody as impersonal as you without causing offense . It didn't have anything to do with that line (I actually took it as a complement the first time I read it, before I realised its potential as a dramatic springboard). <3 crytponia.

That why I wrote you a hymn as well as a cosmic denunciation.

p.s. Sorry, I can't remember that convo.

Did I ever tell you that I'm relatively sure you're possessed? I've always heard, from people who know better than I do, that they can see it in the eyes... but everything I know about you intellectually points in that direction, without even having seen them at all. The denunciation of reason (after all, the Christ is the logos-become-flesh, and the logos is "that which makes reason possible"), the constant self-contradictions in the name of progress, the attack on stability (and He who is One, flexible in plan and unchanging in essence), and, let us not forget, the girl who is two posts above this one--which, whatever you may say, is very much "you." Even XIII itself is Death. It almost makes me snicker, when you try to make me feel dumb, because it comes across as "hahaha, there's no way to find the truth when everything is lies... sucker!"

oh, yah. http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?p=102586
^^anyone who still doesn't understand me... that sort of thing might help (pollyisaqueen is silvertongue, in case you can't tell). My fair warning to the forum: take care, if you ever find yourself listening to this one.

uh... I really like this forum crytonia. Please don't ruin it for me-- it brightens my day and makes me feel happier. It's the only place I can find my favorite people who bring out the best in me (ENFPs) in such concentration as to dispel my woes instantly. Please... be Christian and... don't ''warn people'' against me. I'd really appreciate it if you edited that warning and link out.

You must realise that I'm very (hyper) reflective of my environment and open to the effect of subtle sensations and atmospheres. That's why I'd never be XIIIish here as I was there. I'd be grateful if you let me do so without things like the post above. It's cruel.

Also, like I already said, polly was a joke account. I just googled ''occult satanism'' and posted the most shocking things I could find, just to see how INTPs wuld react.

I can't beleive you called me possessed . I just grew from my experiences. It's easy for somebody with a childhood like I assume yours was to say that somebody like I am is possessed, because you can't even know what it's like to have the experiences leading to this. I mean, everybody has pain in their past... but your comments make me think that you can't know what it's like for pain to *BE* your past, your earliest memories and...



why do you have to do this here? If you insist on leaving the last post up, then at least please delete all of my posts in the autobiography thread. They're more personal than you could know, and I'd prefer only one or the other up. I don't want somebody telling people to beware of me on the same forum I write my heart into (My Autobiography). ... Aghh.

Aghhh

p.s. I didn't try to make you feel dumb. I tried to provoke your intellect into understanding what nobody else had taken the time to. My comments on symbolism etc. in parabola were actually genuine.

I really was happy to find this forum... I guess I'll just go if that's better. I'd prefer not to be seen at all than to be seen in the light of the way you just portrayed me.

I speak only the Truth--as accurately as I know it. Do you really want me to "be Christian"? Are you sure? My parents tried that, too, appealing to a religion they didn't understand well enough in order to "make me normal"--keep me out of trouble and turn me into the type of kid who wouldn't embarrass them... and then began to fight me tooth and nail when I started really practicing it. Appealing to something you don't understand is a very dangerous game, indeed.

Proverbs 26:18-28

Like a madman who throws firebrands, arrows, and death is the man who deceives his neighbor
and says, "I am only joking!"
For lack of wood the fire goes out,
and where there is no whisperer, quarreling ceases.
As charcoal to hot embers and wood to fire,
so is a quarrelsome man for kindling strife.
The words of a whisperer are like delicious morsels;
they go down into the inner parts of the body.
Like the glaze covering an earthen vessel
are fervent lips with an evil heart.
Whoever hates disguises himself with his lips
and harbors deceit in his heart;
when he speaks graciously, believe him not,
for there are seven abominations in his heart;
though his hatred be covered with deception,
his wickedness will be exposed in the assembly.
Whoever digs a pit will fall into it,
and a stone will come back on him who starts it rolling.
A lying tongue hates its victims,
and a flattering mouth works ruin.

John 3:18:21

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God."

Ephesians 5:6-14

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things(P) the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not become partners with them; for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible, for anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says,

"Awake, O sleeper,
and arise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you."

And so, you who appeal to modern pseudo-Christianity, can fall into the pit you've dug with your own words, and I will not be any part of your secrecy, by covering over the things that you've said. If you're ashamed of these things, then turn from them. Covering them up is both unhealthy and unfair to everyone else.

Speaking of which:

http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=3377 (again, silvertongue is obviously Haruhi)
http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=3158 (there's XIII, his original name, which we've tossed around a good bit on here)
http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=3320 (that's the post which he copied here, and left behind there)


And finally... though I hate to do this (because IRC conversations are very obviously easy to forge), logs from one of our chats in IRC, where he said, again, "I am serious about the cult"

cryptonia> youve definitely been disruptive and divisive... and that sort of trumps insight
haruhi> just add it on the end
Hawkeye> I nearly did call you a clown
cryptonia> imo only, of course
haruhi> kk
haruhi> Well, don't worry about me
haruhi> I shan't bother you all again
Ogion> whatever
Hawkeye> Hmm, I found this an entertaining experience none the less
cryptonia> yeah--it reminds me of my werewolf games at college
cryptonia> that's what ive been thinking about the whole time, lol
cryptonia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game)
haruhi> I am serious about the cult, though
haruhi> I will it, thus it will be so
cryptonia> lol, sorry. ill not be a part of it--nor help you start it
ryptonia> beyond that, it's your own decision
haruhi> You're probably too clever for it
haruhi> Of course
Hawkeye> I've not actually read it

^^Like I said, I know that's very easy to forge... but you can judge for yourselves whether you think I'm telling the truth or not.



I'm not opposed to treating you like a dignified person, dear silver. I would encourage everyone to be forgiving (if you/they consider these things disgraceful?), but I will equally not let you cover up your past... whether it be the things you've said on INTPforum, or the autobiography that you posted here, earlier. Deleting posts is disrespectful to them, denying them the opportunity to judge for themselves--likewise, I will leave them to judge for themselves if you respond by acting severely wounded, or somehow blaming me for some destructive thing you're about to do. Thieves work in the dark, and confusion is essential for any type of social manipulation. It's only respectful to lay the cards out on the table for everyone to see. If Saul wishes to override that decision, of course, it is his site. This is where I stand, though.

Yes, I didn't know that was part of Christianity. I also didn't know that Christians were supposed to use verses that people unfamiliar with their religion didn't know as weapons against them. I was talking about the general spirit of the religion, not the letter of the law (which can always be manipulated to justify personal ends by people who want to feel righteous while they do what they would do anyway).

I also didn't expect you to ignore the actual feeling of my entire post and just attack whatever you could hurt me with most.

Anyway. You've ruined this for me. I haven't done anything on this forum to hurt anybody (except perhaps my humorous posts above, but I tried to make them as dramatic as possible so you knew), so I'm genuinely upset by what you're doing. My posts on intpforum were artistic works of fiction, so anybody reading them in the wrong context is likely to misinterpret my words (they're words of artistically created fictional characters, basically. Not my own or my own opinions or personality... unlike what I've written on this forum). As I said before, I was very happy to find this forum. I am upset that this has happened, for no reason at all.

The cult thing from Haruhi was clearly a joke. If you don't believe that, then go and read the ''SOS club'' thread. Haruhi Suzumiya is an anime character who starts a cult-like schoolclub. I was in character. If you don't beleive that, watch an episode of the anime.

And being called possessed as well? What on earth can I say to somebody who thinks something so... like that?

In conclusion, this really hurts. I wish you would just let me post on the forum without following me around with out-of-context and villifying bits of my past, cyrptonia. I also wish we weren't even having this discussion. I wish that you'd realise that I was just joking above and be kind enough to let me post on a forum I enjoy, as myself, and without telling people to ''beware'' of me because you think I'm possessed by a devil or something...

I suppose now that you think I'm possessed you can't even treat me as a human with feelings, though. I suppose now it's all ''possessed silver'' against the good people, no matter how I act towards them or how much what you do against me hurts. It feels like I'm up before the inquisition.

Suggesting you were possessed was for your benefit--not theirs. From the reliable sources (as best as I can sort them out) of people who have more experience than I do, possession seems like something that could easily happen without your knowing it. This isn't so much possession in the stereotypical description, but derived from conversations with people from many different cultures and sorting through the similarities.

I do feel morally obligated to post http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=3422 as well. You know... the 7-page discussion, filled with the paranoia that your characters caused, on INTPforum.

hm.... saying any more than that seems foolish, since the last thing I want to do is bury this discussion under pages of fruitless argument that nobody will ever read through. Both of what we had to say was said, and there's no sense in mucking it up with more words/argument. If you've anything else you'd like to say, feel free: I won't be responding, though. Whenever anyone finds you interesting, they'll go looking for your intro thread, and if it's short enough than they're sure to read it through.

Nevermind my "following" you around the forum, "vilifying" your posts. That would be both childish and evil, and (while I might fail once in a while) I have no intention of doing it.

You just enjoy being cruel, don't you? Either that or actually do have some weird belief about me being possessed, and so can't treat me as a human. You're kind of right, there's not much I can say to craziness like that.

You've made my intro thread feel creepy and unnerving, so I think it needs some happiness:

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