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Asylum  MBTI: INTP Age/Sex: 18/Female Relationship: Why do you care? I'm a hermit. IM:
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| 19 Jan 2010 11:03 PM |
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Type: INTP
89% Introverted, 95% iNtuitive, 95% Thinking, 79% Percieving.
I wonder how many actual ENFPs are on this forum...
Gender: Female
Light Saber Color: UV Light. They'd never know what hit 'em.
Powers: I can think...sometimes.
Things about myself:
I like astronomy and physics, biology and chemistry, geology and history, chess and checkers, drawing and reading. I like birdwatching and philosophy.
I like classical music, but am willing to experiment with other things from time to time.
I enjoy cold weather.
I am phobic of dogs, small children, the telephone, and large groups of people.
I used to have a bird (a Black Headed Caique) and a cat (who, strangely, got on quite well the the bird)
But then I went to college and they don't let me have pets.
I go to college.
I have dark hair. I have grey eyes. I never wear make up but sometimes wear chrome nail polish.
Favorite color is dark olive.
Favorite food is snap peas.
Favorite drink is black tea.
I like lists
Sometimes I just make lists to see everything as a semi-coherent whole.
But it never works all the way.
I don't know that much about ENFPs...but I guess I'll learn. Maybe. |
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| Happiness is understanding the underlying causes,
a series of concentric logarithmic scales.
I am ill at these numbers,
Beginning with the invention of abacuses.
A book contains so many things,
And words are wordless things' shadows.
Cryptic messages often contain little meaning,
Inherent truth, or is that fiction? |
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alysaria  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: Relationship: IM: Empress of Random Founding Member
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| 19 Jan 2010 11:08 PM |
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Welcome ^_^ Always nice to have another INTP about. I have yet to fully figure your type out. |
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Asylum  MBTI: INTP Age/Sex: 18/Female Relationship: Why do you care? I'm a hermit. IM:
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| 19 Jan 2010 11:27 PM |
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What is there to misunderstand? I'm sure we've delineated ourselves perfectly accurately and clearly, with as little bias as possible? Well, I guess, we were, until we became distracted by another argument over whether or not we exist. And then decided to take up photography, only to move on to economics. ^^that's us in a nutshell.^^ Seriously, ask a question. I have a question for ENFPs...what makes you think you're the most random? How do you quantify/measure random? How do you know that you are more random? What synonym for random would you use if you could, just to provide an alternate explanation? How do you even define random? *spirals into non-existence*
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| Happiness is understanding the underlying causes,
a series of concentric logarithmic scales.
I am ill at these numbers,
Beginning with the invention of abacuses.
A book contains so many things,
And words are wordless things' shadows.
Cryptic messages often contain little meaning,
Inherent truth, or is that fiction? |
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alysaria  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: Relationship: IM: Empress of Random Founding Member
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| 19 Jan 2010 11:42 PM |
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O.O We lead with Ne, the ultimate random function. >.> Which is your secondary function....that thing that makes connections and sees patterns. ENTPs also have Ne as their main function, but it's followed with Ti instead of Fi. Ti is more organized and structured, even if only in one's mind. Fi is about internal harmony. Sooooo..... what was my point? I had one. Ne flies around making connections....and Fi just looks for harmony and value. Ti wants to make an actual plan. Thus....Fi is more random than Ti! |
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sbalbom  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: 28/M/Dallas Relationship: Single IM: (AOL)-lordxred Post us to Facebook Make a video about us! ENFP
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| 19 Jan 2010 11:51 PM |
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What is there to misunderstand?
Feelings
I'm sure we've delineated ourselves perfectly accurately and clearly, with as little bias as possible?
Usually bias. I am bi-assed. I like two girls with two butts
^^that's us in a nutshell.^^
Cocounut? Ever have coconut milk? ever drink from one with a straw? was it a big one or small. Its always to caloric for me. Good when you are working out. Lots of fats.
I have a question for ENFPs...what makes you think you're the most random?
INTJs seem random to me. However there is a case for ESFPs they seem way more random and dramafilled. Ever date a 21yr 110lbs year blond ESFP? They get in lots of trouble. Lose stuff, get into fights, say random things. End up sleeping with people they just met, 14 minutes ago before parties start. Emotional roller coasters.
How do you quantify/measure random?
non logarithmically. I don't use rulers or even measures of volume. More 4d. I'd go with facial expressions.
How do you know that you are more random?
proper use of epistemology or when you measure using matrices
What synonym for random would you use if you could, just to provide an alternate explanation?
detached, free, above-bellow, transcendent, ethereal, gut, adjacent, flowing, babbling, cruising, falling, rhythmic, atonal, transparent,
How do you even define random? *spirals into non-existence*
non-causal.
Welcome to the forum! Good to see INTPs around!!!!  
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"....And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Nietzsche |
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Asylum  MBTI: INTP Age/Sex: 18/Female Relationship: Why do you care? I'm a hermit. IM:
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| 20 Jan 2010 12:10 AM |
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ooooookay. I shall take those posts as evidence, and officially learn that ENFPs are indeed the most random. And, feelings are actually quite simple to understand. I usually took at it from a combination of an evolutionary-neurochemical-anthropological perspective. When I can manage. When I get emotional, it's generally because something really didn't make any sense, I'm under a lot of stress, or I am reminded of something from my childhood. Pretty basic stuff. I actually don't think the types are so different, emotionally. It's just a matter of how much we let it show (to ourselves and to others). |
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| Happiness is understanding the underlying causes,
a series of concentric logarithmic scales.
I am ill at these numbers,
Beginning with the invention of abacuses.
A book contains so many things,
And words are wordless things' shadows.
Cryptic messages often contain little meaning,
Inherent truth, or is that fiction? |
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sbalbom  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: 28/M/Dallas Relationship: Single IM: (AOL)-lordxred Post us to Facebook Make a video about us! ENFP
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| 20 Jan 2010 12:18 AM |
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It seems that the INTPs really have a fascination with our Ne. Its like magic to them. Asylum do you know ENFJs? do you get along with them? It seems that ENFPs love INTJs and find them all the time. Do you find ENFJs? Do you get along with ESFJs? |
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"You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star..."
"....And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Nietzsche |
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Asylum  MBTI: INTP Age/Sex: 18/Female Relationship: Why do you care? I'm a hermit. IM:
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| 20 Jan 2010 12:29 AM |
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Yes, Ne is what came first in our personalities as we developed (in childhood) I think. I remember not being that logical as a young child, but rather growing into it. Then learning to balance logic with my intuition. Then learning that logic and intuition are not all there is to the world. So Ne will always have a special place in my heart because it came first. My youngest memories are of looking at an insect, or a tree, or a wall and having so many thoughts and questions and connections that I would just sit for hours. Ti is lovely, but it generally isn't as fun.
As to your question:
Not really. I'm sure I know some ENFJs. I suppose I get along with them. But not them in any particular way.
My closer friends are INTJ, ISTP, ISTJ, INFP, and ENTP. And I think one other INTP.
My closest friend is the INTP, although we rarely talk. We know each other. We barely need to talk to convey ideas.
My second closest friend is the INTJ. We talk about politics and government.
With the ISTP I talk about art and culture and argue about religon.
With the ISTJ I talk to about math and history.
I don't think I get along with ESFJs. They annoy me, usually, and don't have much to say that is interesting. But, you never know. They could be very intelligent but just hide it. |
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| Happiness is understanding the underlying causes,
a series of concentric logarithmic scales.
I am ill at these numbers,
Beginning with the invention of abacuses.
A book contains so many things,
And words are wordless things' shadows.
Cryptic messages often contain little meaning,
Inherent truth, or is that fiction? |
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Asylum  MBTI: INTP Age/Sex: 18/Female Relationship: Why do you care? I'm a hermit. IM:
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| 20 Jan 2010 12:32 AM |
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I wonder about cognitive development in conection to MBTI. As in, how does a personality arise? Are there any patterns within types? For example, an INTP who develops Ne first, or Ti first. What is more common? Does this lead to differences after both sides have been fully established? Of course, MBTI is certainly not extremely scientific, but it can be interpreted within the lense of science. |
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| Happiness is understanding the underlying causes,
a series of concentric logarithmic scales.
I am ill at these numbers,
Beginning with the invention of abacuses.
A book contains so many things,
And words are wordless things' shadows.
Cryptic messages often contain little meaning,
Inherent truth, or is that fiction? |
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Asylum  MBTI: INTP Age/Sex: 18/Female Relationship: Why do you care? I'm a hermit. IM:
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| 20 Jan 2010 12:38 AM |
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I think I knew an ENFP once, and she was extremely friendly. But at the time, all her niceness and outgoingness just scared me. At the time, I was trying to figure out what her motive could be for trying to be friends with me in such an agressive manner even though I had never talked to her. So I just did the typical turtle response and eventually she went away. I'm not sure I could maintain a close friendship with an ENFP, they would be very fun to be around, but eventually I would just need to back away. I would be forever imposing semi-chaotic order onto their chaos and all would be confusion. |
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| Happiness is understanding the underlying causes,
a series of concentric logarithmic scales.
I am ill at these numbers,
Beginning with the invention of abacuses.
A book contains so many things,
And words are wordless things' shadows.
Cryptic messages often contain little meaning,
Inherent truth, or is that fiction? |
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alysaria  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: Relationship: IM: Empress of Random Founding Member
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| 20 Jan 2010 12:39 AM |
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Essentially, the functions are the basic way you take in and process information. Intuition and Sensing are the ways to take in information and can either be outwardly or inwardly focused. Thinking and Feeling are the ways to process information, and are likewise introverted or extroverted. The archetypes are coincidence....if you see the same way, and your mind works the same way, it's likely you'll have similar characteristics. |
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alysaria  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: Relationship: IM: Empress of Random Founding Member
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| 20 Jan 2010 12:41 AM |
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>.> -scribbles down notes- I see, I see....INTPs have trouble suspecting ulterior motive? Simply wanting to be friends does not compute because it's too benevolent? |
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Asylum  MBTI: INTP Age/Sex: 18/Female Relationship: Why do you care? I'm a hermit. IM:
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| 20 Jan 2010 12:45 AM |
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Well, somewhat. Mostly because it is too...unfounded. I suspect ulterior motives when the person is too nice too fast. If I can find some reason why the know me, why they're talking to me, etc, then everything is fine. All of my friends were gradually developed from working-relationships because I don't know how to become friends with people any other way. |
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| Happiness is understanding the underlying causes,
a series of concentric logarithmic scales.
I am ill at these numbers,
Beginning with the invention of abacuses.
A book contains so many things,
And words are wordless things' shadows.
Cryptic messages often contain little meaning,
Inherent truth, or is that fiction? |
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alysaria  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: Relationship: IM: Empress of Random Founding Member
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| 20 Jan 2010 12:46 AM |
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Because you're intriguing. The same way you have to understand things ENFPs want to understand people. The greater the puzzle, the more interested the ENFP is. |
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Asylum  MBTI: INTP Age/Sex: 18/Female Relationship: Why do you care? I'm a hermit. IM:
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| 20 Jan 2010 04:41 AM |
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While it is true I concern myself with understanding many other things besides people, I would include people amongst the things I like to analyze the most. Anything with complexity is interesting. And sometimes things are complex because they are so simple you cannot see it. And sometimes things are complex because they look simple, but they are not. Really, when you come right down to it, with sufficient inspection, any topic becomes complex. But. Relatively, the topic of the human mind (which is what a person is) is on the more complex side. So, in that way, INTPs are like ENFPs. The more complex the puzzle, the more we like it. Unless, of course, the subject in question remains completely subjective without yielding to analysis at all. Then it becomes an all-consuming question. It will never stop bothering us, to our dying day. Indeed, there are certain things I am careful not to think too much about because I will spend hours frustrated trying to find the answer. I think the difference is that you have more success with people, and we have more success with ideas detached from people. In summary: we are all curious about the same things, it is just a matter of how successful we are at understanding the fruition of our curiosities.
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| Happiness is understanding the underlying causes,
a series of concentric logarithmic scales.
I am ill at these numbers,
Beginning with the invention of abacuses.
A book contains so many things,
And words are wordless things' shadows.
Cryptic messages often contain little meaning,
Inherent truth, or is that fiction? |
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cryptonia  MBTI: INTP Age/Sex: 21 Relationship: IM: INTP Founding Member
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| 20 Jan 2010 11:09 AM |
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ooh hello again asylum . (er... I guess I changed my name over at intpf now, but I'm there too)
ENFPs actually make fantastic friends, tbh. I may just be saying that because my older brother is one, though, so it's like... the type of person I grew up looking up to? Quite frankly, there's a lot we need to learn from them. That's also part of the reason I was so excited when sbalbom made this forum. They do yield to analysis (though they probably doubt it), and they pretty much will get annoying if you're around one constantly (but I sort of feel that way about everyone, I think), but I find that it's not overwhelming because they have enough other friends to pour out their energy on anyway.
For the ENFPs here: yes, INTPs are extremely suspicious... even if you're just nice. The reason I don't have the same suspicion as asylum (maybe? I'm not sure if she only saw ENFPs in one-on-one contexts) is because even in groups, they're like that to just about everybody. Barring bad self-esteem that makes you think "they can't possibly be that nice to me," I find no reason to suspect anything. However, she's also a girl, so I understand why there's a lot more reason to be suspicious of guys who act nice too fast.
I can say, though, that I think if you let on your suspicion of the ENFP too fast (or really accused them of anything morally reprehensible, before you got to know them really well and learned how to pad what you say a lot), that seems like it would pretty much put an end to the relationship. I mean... that's not entirely true, but it would definitely set you back several steps. ...but if you apologized for it, and had even the slightest, marginally logical reason for why you would suggest such a thing, they seem really quick to forgive and forget about it. |
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Asylum  MBTI: INTP Age/Sex: 18/Female Relationship: Why do you care? I'm a hermit. IM:
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| 21 Jan 2010 07:09 PM |
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Yeah, I noticed. I saw that people called you "crypt" over on the INTP forum, and made the connection. *waves to fellow INTPian* So, how did you get mixed up in all this? I was just researching typology some more and found this, and thought it would be amusing/knowledge providing. I get what you're saying, if you know about how ENFPs are, it all makes sense and they are not suspicious at all. At the time of meeting this particular ENFP I did not know about myers-briggs, and did not have many friends, so no experience with how other people acted. My siblings are all either INTX or IXTP, and my dad is INTJ, mom ISXP, so the Feeling and Extroverted types are not something I was familiar with. This girl was waaay over the top too, so maybe she was extremely ENFP. (oh, and, yeah this ENFP was a girl who wanted to be my friend for unknowable reasons, not a guy, if she were a guy I would have been even more suspicous, but I actually don't have that excuse for my cautiousness, just plain paranoia) After meeting her at first I acted ambivalent, waiting to see if she was just being nice to me because we were participating in the same competitive field and wanted to make an ally (it was a political-simmulation competition, so allies were useful), or if she just was interested in what I was saying. I was 11 or 12, I think, so at my most socially withdrawn, which probably freaked out anyone who didn't know me. |
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| Happiness is understanding the underlying causes,
a series of concentric logarithmic scales.
I am ill at these numbers,
Beginning with the invention of abacuses.
A book contains so many things,
And words are wordless things' shadows.
Cryptic messages often contain little meaning,
Inherent truth, or is that fiction? |
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cryptonia  MBTI: INTP Age/Sex: 21 Relationship: IM: INTP Founding Member
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| 21 Jan 2010 07:39 PM |
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ahh... I was actually the first real active member here... before me, I think it was just sbalbom and some account named ENFPguy (which I was relatively sure was a fake account so that sbalbom could make it look like conversations were happening :p, but I'm not positive about that). I've known quite a few (a lot, relative to the amount of people I know, but in reality only ~3 or so) ENFPs in my life, and they've been the most (mutually) beneficial relationships I've had with people, so I looked around for an ENFP forum and found here. Since it wasn't occupied yet, I came by and helped post it into existence, just talking to sbalbom in threads as other people joined. I also really like being the only INTP on a forum.... makes you feel like an exotic species (I did the same thing with personalitycafe, before it got massive). Sbalbom eventually made me an admin..... though I don't have access to the server or anything where the files are stored, so I don't actually have any more power than a normal forum mod. yeah... I'm not gonna lie, acting ambivalent is probably what scared her off. Don't let these confident-seeming extroverted folk'lls trick you... they shrivel up and turn miserable if they don't think people appreciate them. They'll pick and pick and pick for a long time, trying to get you to show appreciation... but if you don't eventually give it--like you said, they eventually just go away and find other people to talk to. I don't think INTPs appreciate people very easily, or for insignificant reasons... so if you were just honest, I don't think you would come across as someone just trying to flatter them (which also can scare them away)... but getting yourself to actually stop, and physically voice your compliments when you like something about someone does take some getting used to. |
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JerseyCityENFP  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: 42/male Relationship: single IM:
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| 22 Jan 2010 04:54 PM |
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It's scary how well cryptonia knows ENFPs -- especially scaring us away with flattery, our sensitivity to ambivalence or less-than-receptive responses, and being beneficial to friends. What else do you know about us? I have a buddy who is an INTP. He seems pretty guarded in a way - -I know he's super-bright, but he rarely says anything personal. He's friendly, but just doesn't let on to any internal feelings. |
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cryptonia  MBTI: INTP Age/Sex: 21 Relationship: IM: INTP Founding Member
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| 22 Jan 2010 09:50 PM |
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hah... well, everything I think I know about you all was pretty much summarized at http://www.enfpforum.com/ENFPWiki/tabid/56/topic/ENFP/Default.aspx I'm the same way with... virtually everyone. I've only talked personally to 4 people in my whole of college so far, and our whole freshman floor (of ~40 or so) hung out with each other pretty constantly. Of those 4, one of whom was an ESFJ who scared me off after a year or so... we haven't talked about anything serious in about 2 1/2 years now, and we weren't even speaking for one of those. Another one of the 4 I only include to stay honest, but in reality we only had one heart-to-heart conversation. The 3rd was my freshman roommate, who I got along great with (and still do, when we see each other), but he went and joined a frat, so I've only seen him 3ish times in the past semester, and the 4th one is the ENFP, who I keep in constant touch with still. It's not so much on purpose... but I know how my personal thoughts sound when they come out of my mouth. I really only have two areas of my life I keep secret, and beyond those I don't actually think I have much of a personal life. One of them makes people unnecessarily afraid of me, and the other makes me sound completely insane... so I tend to just keep my mouth shut and talk about non-personal things instead. I know how my thoughts sound, I know how they're received (unless it's in the perfect context... both conversation mood and topic--which nearly never happens), so I keep my mouth shut. I'm ok with that, and no one else seems to mind too much either, so it works out. In general, though, INTPs are going to be the most "lifeless" to other types. Inferior feeling --> a very poor sense of what's important to yourself (what you would call "personal"), and introvert/intuition --> a lot of sitting around indoors and not "doing much." With no "events" and not much of personal importance, how would you go about establishing the type of conversation Sensors and NFs are looking for? |
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