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08 Feb 2010 08:09 PM  

Every single MBTI test has pegged me as an INTP. Yet, I'm (pretty) sure that I'm (probably) an ENTP.

Though, I'm of the opinion that the MBTI should create a whole new set of types for ambiverts just so it can achieve even greater accuracy and clarity in regards to the personality traits. Plus, I think ANTP sounds kinda cool.

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08 Feb 2010 08:52 PM  

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08 Feb 2010 10:32 PM  
Hey there and welcome, whatever you are!!

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09 Feb 2010 03:58 AM  

oh hai! ENTPs are pretty great
Yeah, I often wonder about the hit rate for MBTI. Can't remember the statistic, but if say 75% agree with their 'type', what's going on with the other 25%? Is there a 5th dimension? What can be tweaked? To be honest, in Psych we were only taught about the "Big 5" (Openness, Agreeableness, Neuroticism etc), which, correct me if wrong anyone, seems to have more empirical research behind it and more real-world validity than MBTI, although there's some correspondence between your type on the two tests.  I don't know of a single Psychology researcher who chooses to apply the MBTI personality inventory over Big 5, but MBTI remains popular among Organisational Psychologists and Human Resources for some reason. Ooh, new thread topic.

 

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09 Feb 2010 09:12 PM  
MBTI is just information retrieval and storage. Tendencies happen based on how you take in and process information and what order those functions are in and whether or not they are introverted or extroverted. Intuition is abstract observation and a reliance on gut feelings and Sensing is concrete observation and a reliance on the substantial and physical. Thinking is logic based information processing and Feeling is emotionally based information processing. Introverting the function makes them mental, unseen forces...and extroverting them makes them obvious.

>.> It's not the end-all-to-be-all of personality. There are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many different aspects. Enneagram is the *why* behind the what. >.> I'm not going to label anymore because that would require me researching to see which ones I actually think have any real validity.
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10 Feb 2010 05:54 AM  
Tis very true. Personality experts who have researched this full-time for year still don't know what's going on!
If I had time, I'd read everything about MBTI, SLOAN and Enneagram and try to integrate them into my super-global theory of personality
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10 Feb 2010 03:48 PM  
Hey Synoptist! Welcome
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10 Feb 2010 04:28 PM  
Posted By sbalbom on 08 Feb 2010 09:32 PM
Hey there and welcome, whatever you are!!

How did you find us? What do you like about here? What are you looking for?

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Okay.

I'm a serial lurker  on INTPf, and through that, I came across cryptonia's work on the cognitive functions in your wiki.. and I somehow leapt to the main forum. I've been lurking on here for a few weeks now.

As, for what I like about here. It's just the general laidback-ish vibe to the place that lured me in. Also, the most funniest person I know (have known and will probably ever know) is an ENFP. Honestly, I've never met anyone who seems to possess the ability to make me laugh at will.  And it'd be cool to find that  something common amongst ENFPs.

Oh, and as for what I'm looking for out of this forum? Just somewhere light and easygoing to come to after some intense INTPf lurking.

Unless you meant the last q in a more broad, cryptic way? Although, I would appreciate it if you wouldn't hold me to this answer (as it'll probably change in 20 mins), I'd, say, at the moment it's clarity of thought. Although, it'd probably be more suitable to say I wanna attain it, rather than I'm looking for it. But yeah, that's what I seem to be obsessed with at this current moment.

Posted By alysaria on 09 Feb 2010 08:12 PM
MBTI is just information retrieval and storage. Tendencies happen based on how you take in and process information and what order those functions are in and whether or not they are introverted or extroverted. Intuition is abstract observation and a reliance on gut feelings and Sensing is concrete observation and a reliance on the substantial and physical. Thinking is logic based information processing and Feeling is emotionally based information processing. Introverting the function makes them mental, unseen forces...and extroverting them makes them obvious.

>.> It's not the end-all-to-be-all of personality. There are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many different aspects. Enneagram is the *why* behind the what. >.> I'm not going to label anymore because that would require me researching to see which ones I actually think have any real validity.

Ah, I'm pretty familiar with the cognitive functions. I just went with the MBTI route so that it'd be more accessible as I've noticedmost people discover their types through the test, rather than looking at the cognitive functions.

Moving on, I find that I definitely seem to identify with the primary axis of an ENTP (NeTi) yet my tertiary and inferior functions are that of an INTP (SiFe) buuuut that hasn't really helped me come to a concrete conclusion as to what my type is either. I guess the search continues..

And on the topic of personality, I've found that MBTI/Jungian typology to be the most consuming of all the personality stuff out there. Enneagram  (I'm a 5w4, even though I tested as a 7, btw) is pretty cool, but it doesn't seem to be as.. rich as the MBTI does. However, Astrology is probably the next thing I really need to get into as it (for me, anyway) even eclipses the MBTI for how eerily accurate it is.

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10 Feb 2010 08:34 PM  
Astrology is fun....but I take it with a grain of salt. >.> That would make the argument that every 1 in 12 people has the same personality traits based on the time they were born....and most of the descriptions are pretty vague/all encompassing.

"You are basically a good person who is social, but you value your alone time as well." Most people want to believe they are good....very few people, even those who have done heinous, horrific things, believe themselves to be bad or evil. Also, regardless of E vs I, people are essentially social creatures, and we all need time to ourselves - some just need more than others.

Saggitarius is pretty ENFP-esque....but if you're looking for similarities, you'll find them. >.> If you look for divergence, you'll see what doesn't quite fit....or what might be ambiguous.
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15 Feb 2010 09:48 PM  

Yeah, personal experience tells me that sun-houses aren't really that consistent. I know several megalomaniac ISTJs who seem to share the Sagittarius name..

The main reason why I want to get more into it is because of that site I linked to. I initally put in my stuff (but fudged the hour of my birth) and it gave a decent outline but was wayyyyy off in some parts (said I was a touchy-feely person and disliked sloppiness ¬_¬). So.. I was curious to see if putting in the correct hour of my birth would change anything..  and lo, and behold, it started to become more specific as somewhat distant  with a tendency to retreat into his imagination.   I know it's got a shady reputation but  I'd rather come to the conclusion that it's bullshit by myself.

 Also, what's wrong with the argument that "1 in 12 people has the same personality traits based on the time they were born"? At least, it offers some semblance of causal means behind it's reasoning. Typology still seems undecided as to whether your type is determined by nature or nurture.

 

 

 

 

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16 Feb 2010 11:39 AM  
A lot of the enneagram sites seem to be decided that nurture is the major factor behind that aspect of the personality...like it says that a type 7 (my type) seeks new experiences and constant stimulation to keep from the terror of boredom...and the type is less respectful or even antagonistic toward authority figures - the root is a feeling of neglect from a parental figure; one or more needs were not met in childhood. I kind of think that nature is more linked to the MBTI....people really don't seem to be born as blank slates. >.> Even little bitty babies already seem to have some personality traits....and children raised in the same household by 2 parents of the same type can have varying types. If nurture altered the MBTI, then there would be fewer ISTJ parents ready to tear out their hair over ENFP toddlers.
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22 Feb 2010 11:50 AM  
I'm a Cancer, so I guess it fits that I'm dreamy and romantic? xD

Welcome to the forum, Synoptist. What are your thoughts on book jackets and that whole "judging a book by its cover" thing? Favorite restaurant? Where do you want to travel to the most?

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