QUOTE: "We've noticed an influx of new INTJ members over the last week, some of whom have been banned from other forums.  We remind everyone that this is a productive and positive community.  We ask that members consider others and add value when they post. Disrupting, threatening or spamming threads will not be tolerated. This is a family friendly website. Anyone continuing to troll the threads will be banned."

I am offended that the notice that is currently posted makes a blanket statement against a class of MBTI's. Specifically INTJ's. On top of that it specifically targets 'new' INTJ's. Seeing as a join date was not specified I assume my name is part of that notice since I have joined within the last couple of weeks.

If the moderators or any members have a problem with me personally, please PM me so that I can appologize for the offense and modify my behavior to fit this board in the future. It is not my intention to devalue this community in any way. Older members have been welcoming and polite.

I would also kindly ask that the 'INTJ' be removed from the body of the notice before more people are offended by it.

Thank you for your attention in this matter.

I agree with mrStevens. The "INTJ" should be removed.

mrStevens, I would like to personally apologize for any offense caused. I've messaged the admin of the forum and hope to get this issue resolved immediately.

Thank you for the prompt response.

Yes, singling out INTJs is offensive. It is along the same lines as singling out gender or race. INTJs are not cookie cutter copies of each other, just as ENFPs are not. Take out "INTJs" and replace it with "Women", now replace it with "Black", "Asian", "British", or any other blanket discription. Does it sound offensive to you now?

Haha, welcome back, Stripes! Will you be staying a while longer?

Dear INTJs, no one is trying to offend you. There's been a slight concern the last few days with a lot of new INTJ members that seemed to sign up at the same time and know each other from before. It's good to know that you come in peace. When a member talked about an INTJ invasion and that new member made several hundred posts in just a few days - using some threads more like a chatroom than a forum, and some other members were offended by the tone in the threads - there was a concern that the ENFP forum would be vulnerable to spam or trolls. We felt it was better to be safe than sorry and we issued the notice. We're delighted to see new, productive members, wanting to interact with the ENFPs as well as the other types here Thanks for taking the time to explain your purpose and let us know you were offended, we apologize for that.

ENFP land is a friendly place with tons of fun, we do seem to attract a lot of fun loving INTJs too, which is great! We're aiming for a harmonious forum, welcoming all personality types

 

Welcome Mr. Stevens, I'm the moderator of the NTs. 

Thank you for removing the Notice.

Psyko,

I am offended at your response to mrSteven. You are mistaken on your facts. I am the new member with 200+ posts, and I NEVER said anything about an invasion. NOR, did I troll or spam, nor did any other INTJ, who came here in the last week or so, who's "overwhelming" and "intimidating" numbers make up less then one percent of your membership.

The ENFPs complained that we we're in the intro threads and wanted us to converse elsewhere. Then, when we did that we were subject to attacks and typism and complaints that we were "overwhelming", "intimidating", "egotistical", and "narcissistic", and that we "didn't have a life". And then after such attacks and accusations, those ENFPs come to the intro thread to "play" and "welcome" and say "you are no longer on my bad side". Psyko, this is very bizarre and hostile behavior, and it wasn't from ANY of the INTJs that recently joined in "overwhelming" numbers of less than 1%.

Thanks for taking the time to explain your purpose and let us know you were offended, we apologize for that.

If you, or any ENFPs had taken the time to read my first post, you would have noticed that my (our) purpose was explained there in and throughout that thread.

ENFP land is a friendly place with tons of fun, we do seem to attract a lot of fun loving INTJs too, which is great! We're aiming for a harmonious forum, welcoming all personality types

We came here intending to find harmony and a place where we could both have fun and good conversation without hostility. This place has neither been friendly, with the exception of Sakari, you all have criticized the "fun" from the "unfeeling" and "uncaring" INTJs, and you all have sought division rather than harmony as you tout. Several of us have made efforts to overlook such attacks, pursuing harmony, but the ENFPs here wouldn't have it. As to welcoming ALL personality types, that has been made clear numerous times that the few and rare INTJs are not welcome throught the hostile attacks and typism, not the least of which was in the notice.

There's been a slight concern

A "slight" concern doesn't warrant such hostility.

If there is a rule against how many INTJs can sign up at one time, or a rule against some knowing others while simultaneously signing up, or a rule on the number of posts one can make--I missed it, as apparently did the other INTJs. For what it's worth, not all of the INTJs who signed up recently knew each other--in fact, not a single person knew all the rest--I've already made this clarification, but apparently the assumption and "the-sky-is-falling" mentality over a few new INTJs (who are quite capable of good conversation, warmth, and fun) is preferred over reality and facts and truth and harmony.

For all the "harmony" and "insightful posts" and "welcoming" and "friendliness" and concern for "feelings" that this place touts through its ENFP membership, I would say that the ENFPs could learn a thing or two or three from the INTJs . . .

~I'm more than offended, I'm greatly offended.

Psyko, first, thank you for removing the Notice, and thank you for introducing yourself as the NT moderator. I did not know there was a person whom we NTs could turn to for grievances or questions. It is comforting to know there is a POC.

In the future, might I suggest handling grievances with individual members through posting a warning in response to the post that is in question or through private messages? As you can see, posting vague references about individuals in unrelated threads may exacerbate the situation and could be viewed as a passive-aggressive attack on the individual.

I hope the moderators and admins can get together and figure out a way to mediate the apparent disharmony in the forum before more feelings are damaged.

Hi Danny, welcome to the forum.

As I said, no need to feel offended and the apology stands whether you were a little or greatly offended. I ask you kindly to look again at your intro thread which is 14 pages long where you answer your own original post 4 times in 30 minutes, and try to see it from our angle this time. All the new members with all the activity was overwhelming. You did say it was an invasion (maybe not in your thread but in Cooper's,) The other INTJs gave the impression that they had been invited by you over here, you were even counting down for them to join you. Add the talk about minions, the INTJ takeover as well as a less than friendly question to Rogarn for instance, calling his pelting with pebbles rituals at all newbies childish - and you do raise concern in a well established forum. What may be a joke from the person posting may not be perceived as a joke on the receiving end.

Try to see this from our perspective for a moment instead of defending your actions. What is done is done and I'd prefer is if this didn't escalate. I'm not interested in debating about semantics or details regarding this and I do not see how you've been attacked with hostility, but I haven't read every post here in the last few weeks so I apologize if I have missed something.

Let's move forward and not start a war about who said what, we're clear about what we tolerate here, you've been clear that you come in peace, let's leave it at that.

Then, when we did that we were subject to attacks and typism and complaints that we were "overwhelming", "intimidating", "egotistical", and "narcissistic", and that we "didn't have a life". And then after such attacks and accusations, those ENFPs come to the intro thread to "play" and "welcome" and say "you are no longer on my bad side". Psyko, this is very bizarre and hostile behavior, and it wasn't from ANY of the INTJs that recently joined in "overwhelming" numbers of less than 1%.

Alright Danny, I've tried to apologize on multiple occasions but you just can't get over it - and now you're attacking my apologies. You seem to not be able to accept anyone's apologies, even other INTJs.

If you remember, this all started after I (and several others in a certain intro post) made a teasingly sarcastic comment about ESFPs being able to be brainwashed easier and then was improportionately attacked personally (not my teasing comment). I was very hurt and very offended by this comment and became very defensive as a result. I was also upset by the treatment (whether it was in jest or not I do not know, but she did not think so) of another new member by many other new members, yourself included, and came to her rescue.

As for you making up less than 1% of this forum. We might have 1160 members (or however many we have now), but the vast majority of the ENFPs are not frequent posters, and therefore the actual number of "regulars" who post here is probably more like 20-50 ENFPs. So in actuality, you do make up a larger proportion of VOCAL posters than 1%. Just wanted to point that out.

mrStevens, that's a good point which we'll take into consideration, however we have normally not had a history with sending private messages to members since we don't have that feature, but this time we found it best to address all of the new INTJs at once as it was too many posts to comment on.

The moderators and admins can't get together I'm afraid, as we're spread throughout the globe

Thanks for the input!

@ Danny I have also apologized several times for engaging in banter which was meant to be playful, but may have been unclear. I've also stated and restated numerous times that my intentions are benevolent. I don't understand why you can neither accept the apologies and move on nor acknowledge that you've contributed to hurt feelings or confusion yourself.

Posted By Psyko on 21 Mar 2011 04:54 PM
mrStevens, that's a good point which we'll take into consideration, however we have normally not had a history with sending private messages to members since we don't have that feature...

Ah. Point taken.

Posted By Psyko on 21 Mar 2011 04:54 PM
The moderators and admins can't get together I'm afraid, as we're spread throughout the globe

Email?

 

I don't believe the administrator was trying to be rude. I believe he has probably noticed with the influx of INTJs that there was more disrespect going on in the forums.. Don't take it personally.. There has been an influx of INTJs on the forum. Please also notice the part of the quote "banned on other forums." Perhaps this was noted by someone else, and thus it was written on the home page.. If you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.. The administrator was just pointing out two coinciding patterns and was saying - "don't cause trouble"..
If it is offensive I am sure it will be taken care of..

Unfortunately I haven't been roaming around the forums a great deal in the past few months... So I am not sure what has been happening.. I'll leave that up to everyone to judge..

@ Sakari

Well m' lady, there are still to many INTJs and not enough ENFPs or other types actively participating on this forum, and besides I would not want to offend anyone or hurt someone's feelings 

So until a later date I bid you and everybody on the forum adieu

 

Welcome back Stripes, please stick around.... We desperately need the levity of your kitty pics etc...

Watch out, the ENFPs are butterfly collecting us. Need more ENFPs to balance that out.