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The influence of harsh parents on the ENFP
Last Post 12 May 2011 10:52 AM by SparkErosion1234. 29 Replies.
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AnnaK  MBTI: XNFP Age/Sex: Middle aged Female Relationship: Single IM:
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| 23 Mar 2011 06:41 PM |
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Sakkari, That sounds like a horrible situation with your father. I'm so sorry you have had it so rough. But you do seem like a very sweet person, and smart too!!. Some day your father will be old and feeble and weak. I feel sorry for him when that happens. |
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caprice  MBTI: eNfP Age/Sex: F Relationship: IM:
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| 23 Mar 2011 09:35 PM |
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Sakari, the poem you wrote was amazing and deserves praise regardless if it "won" any award. I'm sorry he isn't able to see that or see that his power and control issues etc.. etc... may drive you away. We all see you for what you are. A light. The world needs you to disregard his negative influences and be what you were meant to be. You've done extremely well with this so far. Just keep on.  |
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Sakari  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: Female Relationship: Single IM: sakariparadox Cutest ENFP Ninja
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| 24 Mar 2011 04:49 PM |
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Thanks so much, everyone. A few more months left before I head out. *crosses fingers* |
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DCIdealist  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: M/21 Relationship: Single IM:
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| 14 Apr 2011 04:04 PM |
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Well, I've been gone for a while, but I see others did a good job of continuing the conversation without me. First of all, I completely agree with the forgetfulness comment. As a matter of fact, it's my forgetfulness that sets my dad off the most. But I realize I didn't give much detail in the original posts. None of the things my Dad gets upset about are very big, things like forgetting to let the dog out, not loading the dishwasher correctly, or not having bought groceries for the family preemptively to the need for more groceries (especially given that I had never bought groceries for the family in my life up to that point, and no one had asked me to). So it's the little mistakes I make that make him furious. The big ones, like the one time I brought home an F on a report card, he just didn't seem to care. And that's part of what makes him difficult, is that it's really impossible to predict what's going to set him off. While I don't think my Dad is as bad as what Sakari was reporting (you're a tough one Sakari), what he does really is a form of psychological/verbal abuse. He never hit any of his children, never even grounded us, but if we made a small mistake on accident, he would yell at us with the most condescending, insulting, and humiliating language imaginable. When we were younger, my two siblings and I all played baseball. However, my Dad is a baseball fanatic, and so his wrath was always the worst when we would do something wrong in a game. We all started out being quite talented in that sport (I had the highest batting average in the league), but from the few times I struck out (and my Dad's anger was tremendous when I did), I started to get so nervous at the plate that I stopped making hits all together... I just fell apart as a player. I started dreading batting, and would never take any sort of a risk in the sport, even if there was a good chance of success. That's the sort of stuff I'm talking about. My dad has affected me by making me less confident in my ability to do new things, or even old things for that matter, and so I'm incredibly careful about everything I do, and twinge at the thought of messing up, because I expect people to respond to my mistakes in an equally harsh way as my Dad would have. Of course no one else ever does. But it's still a big influence on the way I do things, something I'm trying to overcome and grow through now that I'm relatively free of him. Kind of a funny thought though, that in my attempts to remove negative parts of my personality, I'm trying to get rid of my perfectionism. If I stop wanting to be perfect, will I still be a perfectionist, since I did it for the purpose of coming closer to the ideal person??? |
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Lauren  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: 57/F Relationship: Married IM:
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| 14 Apr 2011 05:37 PM |
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Posted By DCIdealist on 14 Apr 2011 03:04 PM
Kind of a funny thought though, that in my attempts to remove negative parts of my personality, I'm trying to get rid of my perfectionism. If I stop wanting to be perfect, will I still be a perfectionist, since I did it for the purpose of coming closer to the ideal person???
Don't do it to become an "ideal" person. There's no such thing, anyway. Do it to become a more effective person. Do it to become a happier person. Do it for the sake of sanity. You don't need to perfect yourself, you're quite good enough as you are. The only reason to make any changes is for the sake of your own health, happiness, or self-empowerment. As a friend of mine used to say, "Don't perfect--optimize." Do the best you can with what you have, then let it go. When you hear that nagging, critical voice in your head, just tell it to shut up.  |
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caprice  MBTI: eNfP Age/Sex: F Relationship: IM:
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| 14 Apr 2011 09:59 PM |
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Good advice Lauren! Perfectionism is really just a fear of failure anyways, and fear is not a great optimizer.
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DCIdealist  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: M/21 Relationship: Single IM:
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| 15 Apr 2011 05:37 PM |
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Thank you for the advice. I suppose I agree that that is the right way to go about it. But my experience has taught me that this is one of those issues where it's "much easier said than done," (I hate cliches). It can be very difficult to internalize the idea that you really are good enough, and don't need to perfect yourself. I'll keep trying though. |
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Blonderock8  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: 26 Relationship: single IM:
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| 09 May 2011 06:10 PM |
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Sakari, Wow, sounds like you have been through a lot. But I must say, you do sound pretty well-adjusted. Ya know, to me, it sounds like you might have learned an excellent work ethic from all that, and you are able to not get sidetracked by material things. I mean, as an ENFP, it's easy to be unfocused and all over the place with all of our interests. I'm sure you are much better at being focused and following through. And you also probably don't get overly excited about all the material things! I know, I still have trouble with that, some things will be so inspiring, beautiful or just the right thing at the right time, and it's like I HAVE to buy it. I wish I could get better at not falling in love with every little thing that is materialistic and beautiful! I'm sorry you had to go through all that though, my dad can be controlling too but he's more judging, and then my mom has kind of a passive-aggressive way of controlling too. Still, I just can't imagine being an ENFP and going through those things, it would really break my spirit. But you are so cheerful and positive on these forums, and I think you will only flourish in college. It will take time to move on with your life and really accept yourself and all your own decisions, but you will grow so much for it. It'll probably always be a battle with your dad, but I've only recently learned that our parents really aren't perfect no matter how much you want them to be. I love to think my parents were the best, but the older I get, the more I see both of us as adults, and even though they made some crappy choices with me in trying to control or make me feel guilty, that's just the best thing they thought they could do with what they had. I'm sure you're dad loves you SO much, but he doesn't know how to show it from an emotional feeling perspective, and he also maybe didn't make a lot of good choices or understand his ENFP daughter. But I am sure he didn't do it from a vindictive or hateful place. That's just how he thought he should raise you. It will probably always be difficult for him to let you go and loosen his grip on control, but I think you will find some good things from that experience, and take the bad with a grain of salt and work forward to become who YOU want to be. You should let yourself have all the things you wanted but couldn't have, but really see how that makes you feel. I wonder if you will care or want to go overboard? Either way, I wish you the best of luck in school, it's the time to really discover yourself and who you like, what you want to learn, and become who you are supposed to be. It's an exciting time, and I just hope you really let yourself be free and an individual. It sounds like you are already, but I can see how it might be challenging coming from that experience. There's a book you might want to check out later for your relationships if you still have some trouble. A relationships therapist recommended it to me, and it's really interesting. It's called "Keeping the Love You Find" by Harville Hendrix. It says we unconsciously seek out relationships like our parents sometimes if we have had some emotional turmoil with them in the past, etc. So, it's pretty interesting b/c I was dating a guy who was the same personality type as my mom. She loved him, but I always felt like they were both against me when we were all together and it really threw me off. A guy I dated before that was eerily similar too, and I didn't know why I was picking these types when I would openly state that wasn't what I was looking for. I think it was something about me trying to get that kind of love from my mom that I couldn't get by dating guys of the same types. Kinda like you are saying, deliberately dating someone who really can't offer you what you need. Really crazy stuff, but I guess it's true b/c I totally did that unconsciously! |
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Blonderock8  MBTI: ENFP Age/Sex: 26 Relationship: single IM:
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| 09 May 2011 06:28 PM |
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DCIdealist, I think you're Dad may be a little like my mom, like I said below, she controls in a really passive-aggressive way, and I think she may be a little co-dependent now that I know what that is. She tries to control by shame and making me feel bad like that too. She's ultra conservative, and I'm more artsy and communicative, and we always have trouble seeing eye to eye. I think it bothers her still that I am so creative and colorful. She's embarrassed by things like that; therefore, she has kind of always held me back in some ways. It's been a struggle for me to really be confident in my artistic and creative abilities b/c she just doesn't get it and kind of always wants me to do something else. It's really hard as an ENFP b/c we are such people-pleasers.
I'm struggling with that right now, still trying to please her, but do the opposite of that (which would make me grow and ultimately be happy). And I think that's what you may need to do too DCIdealist.
Your dad sounds like he trying to control the same way, my mom is ultra nit-picky and nothing is good enough, and she just has to always let me know when I am doing something different from how she would. That's hard growing up as a kid b/c I think we all look up to our parents initially and want to "be" like them in some way. It's hard if you realize your not like them and try to fit into a mold you're just not able too. Do you know what type your Dad is? You could probably try to help things by reading and learning about his type and how ya'll relate to each other? It might not make everything perfect, but it may help both of you communicate better.
Perfectionism is tough, and it's even worse with a parent that's overly concerned with it. We're already our own tough critics. I know I have that problem with my parents too. I hate sharing some things with them b/c they love to give me their opinions and they always start with the critical first. Getting praise from them is like squeezing blood from a stone! I have had to learn to gauge my own level of success withoug leaning on them. By writing down goals, and revisiting them often, measuring my own levels of success, and by also not asking for their opinion when it's something that means a lot to me or could crush me if they respond negatively at first which is like they typically do.
I don't think you will ever completely stop being a perfectionist. It's just our tendency, but you can be nicer to yourself, and give yourself a break. You're doing the best you can with what you have, you're learning, your changing, you're on these forums trying to become the best person you can be. You'll still be critical, but maybe you can start learning to apply it differently, or learn to use it somewhere else instead of internally. Plus, perfection is a myth. We're all imperfect, but growing and learning is part of the ride of life. Haven't you ever learned or completed anything that you knew nothing about in the beginning and now you are good or even great at it? It's a rewarding feeling. Plus, there are so many other great things in life than getting too caught up in perfectionism. In hindsight, life is actually made up of a lot of little things that equal big things when we look back at them.
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SparkErosion1234  MBTI: Age/Sex: Relationship: IM: Posts:4
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| 12 May 2011 10:52 AM |
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I never hear praise from my dad. The only thing I hear is critism/negative. it has made me a perfectionist also. My dad is also very negative, and it's difficult. Often times when I want to learn how to do something, he'll come into the room, tell me to go away (Because he likes to work alone), and do it himself, and not teach me. So I never learn.
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