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20 Mar 2011 04:12 AM  
*reads*

*thinks*
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20 Mar 2011 05:55 AM  
Posted By Danny on 20 Mar 2011 03:12 AM
*reads*

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*reads Danny's mind*

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20 Mar 2011 07:18 AM  
Why?

Why?

Why?

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20 Mar 2011 07:21 AM  

Avery you  posted with duplicitous gender reference. Interesting, sir.

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25 Mar 2011 08:43 AM  
Stubborn ENFP story....here is story about a disagreement my ENFP ex and I had when we first started dating.

I had limewire running and I was looking for songs Bob Marley's Legend alb (yeah, this is years ago). I said goddam, some stupidhead has tagged Don't worry be Happy as Bob Marley. The ex said yeah he did a cover. I knew that Bob Marley had died before the Bobby McFerrin song came out so I said ummmm I think you will find that this is just named wrong, it happens. He started getting a little heated about it and saying no no no....maybe Bobby did a cover of this Bob Marley song called Don't Worry be Happy.....so I d/l the Bobby McFerrin song and the Bob Marley (tagged wrong) song. I played them and he thought they were different. I was gobsmacked...so I played the first few seconds of each start of the vocals again a couple of times....he was convinced they were different. I googled Bob Marley's death 1981, I gogoled Bobby McFerrin's song release 1986. I went and googled Bob Marley's discography and he was still dubious. I simply could not convince him with any logic. It wasn't until a couple of days later that he said yeah you were right....I thought he was kidding and just having me on....but later I realised after a few arguments that his arguing style is just simply argue until he gets stabbed or his opponent becomes bored and walks away.

He later used this Bob Marley argument to state how stubborn I was in proving my "rightness" o_O
God help us if every ENFP was like him LOL

I myself have been accused of being stubborn but I generally think that if there is a good argument that makes sense I will see that I'm wrong...I do back down. My mother prefers to call me determined. I can live with that

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29 Mar 2011 02:21 PM  
Posted By TheMorrigan on 25 Mar 2011 07:43 AM
Stubborn ENFP story....here is story about a disagreement my ENFP ex and I had when we first started dating.

I had limewire running and I was looking for songs Bob Marley's Legend alb (yeah, this is years ago). I said goddam, some stupidhead has tagged Don't worry be Happy as Bob Marley. The ex said yeah he did a cover. I knew that Bob Marley had died before the Bobby McFerrin song came out so I said ummmm I think you will find that this is just named wrong, it happens. He started getting a little heated about it and saying no no no....maybe Bobby did a cover of this Bob Marley song called Don't Worry be Happy.....so I d/l the Bobby McFerrin song and the Bob Marley (tagged wrong) song. I played them and he thought they were different. I was gobsmacked...so I played the first few seconds of each start of the vocals again a couple of times....he was convinced they were different. I googled Bob Marley's death 1981, I gogoled Bobby McFerrin's song release 1986. I went and googled Bob Marley's discography and he was still dubious. I simply could not convince him with any logic. It wasn't until a couple of days later that he said yeah you were right....I thought he was kidding and just having me on....but later I realised after a few arguments that his arguing style is just simply argue until he gets stabbed or his opponent becomes bored and walks away.

He later used this Bob Marley argument to state how stubborn I was in proving my "rightness" o_O
God help us if every ENFP was like him LOL

I myself have been accused of being stubborn but I generally think that if there is a good argument that makes sense I will see that I'm wrong...I do back down. My mother prefers to call me determined. I can live with that


OMG, this is hilarious!  Mostly because it sounds a lot like me as a teenager.  I would argue a point long after I stopped believing it, just so I wouldn't have to admit I had made a mistake.  Thankfully, I don't do that any more.
 

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09 May 2011 08:20 AM  
Posted By TheMorrigan on 25 Mar 2011 07:43 AM
but later I realised after a few arguments that his arguing style is just simply argue until he gets stabbed or his opponent becomes bored and walks away.



 

Perhaps this sounds sort of familiar....I just cant help it though.  Part of it is that while I may be argueing in the moment with full force, I often dont really have anything vested in the outcome so i can drop it in a second and forget we were even talking about an issue.   I once had an entp online call me combative, but really I just was waiting for them to argue me down from my position.  The "keep going until I get stabbed" line is very fitting, although I'll take data, data even being another person's experience that differs from my own, as enough to alter my position.  I am in the process of realizing most people dont think this is very fun, so I am trying to stop debating things as a result.

stubborn?  More tenacious.

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11 May 2011 08:49 AM  
I think I might be sort of 'internally stubborn' - this is kind of related to what PG wrote, about:
ENFPs can sometimes become stubborn when their integrity or ethics are questioned

In my case it is more like when someone is asking me or pushing me to do something that I feel would make me compromise my values, I'll dig my heels in hard. And my wife says I have a lot of patience to be able to do research, because so often nothing works and nothing works and nothing works, but I still chisel away at it. I'd call it stubbornness instead or patience (or maybe tenacity, if I'm being generous with myself).

But I'm not 'externally stubborn'. I usually won't argue at all; I won't even start. And if I get stuck in the middle of something that's more or less inconsequential, I'll just agree, or switch position at some point in the conversation. Arguing never seems worth it to me; I sort of feel like its not a very effective method of trying to change peoples' minds, and I don't really enjoy it for its own sake.

Mostly because it sounds a lot like me as a teenager.

Me too! I was a lot more like that when I was a little younger. Now I've made so many mistakes about so many things that I've gotten a lot of practice at admitting they were mistakes =P
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