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| 25 Apr 2011 08:59 AM |
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I have no idea whay I get to add a radioactive icon to my thread.....but I cant stop myself......
Okay-the real question:
Do you guys notice that within the vast scheme of ENFPness, there are subtypes of ENFPs? I ask this, as I dont feel like I fit in very well with other ENFPs, so I always end up feeling weird or broken as I dont seem to match the prototype too much.
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| 25 Apr 2011 02:39 PM |
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Don't ever feel weird or broken for being who you are. What are your percentages? It is possible that you are more xNFP or ExFP or ENxP or ENFx, etc. Remember that a truly mature person ideally wouldn't have a set function. They would resemble more of xxxx than anything else because the goal is to use and develop more functions to the point that you aren't just relying upon what your type is. But more development across types means that you don't always readily fit into one personality typing. I would recommend taking a look at the various other types and seeing what things you can find yourself relating to.
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| 25 Apr 2011 03:02 PM |
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Oh yes, there are all sorts of subtypes and endless variations. What are the differences you've noted in the past with other ENFPs? Maybe some of us can relate.
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| 25 Apr 2011 08:43 PM |
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I think ENFPs may be more prone to this multiple personality thing. I def feel like I have multiple personalities. They are ENFP, ENTP, INTP, and INFP....in that order. (also: INTJ, ENTJ, ENFJ...in that order, oh, and INFJ) I really relate to all their descriptions and motivational posters, lol. Yay balance; arg feeling like more than one person! I think it may partially be due to how adaptable we are. ENFPs are kind of known for this trait. It makes sense that our personality is capable of "shifting" depending on circumstances/people/etc. If it helps though, the fact that you asked this question, and worded it the way you did, strikes me as rather ENFP |
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| 25 Apr 2011 10:22 PM |
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Don't ever feel weird or broken for being who you are. What are your percentages? It is possible that you are more xNFP or ExFP or ENxP or ENFx, etc. Remember that a truly mature person ideally wouldn't have a set function. They would resemble more of xxxx than anything else because the goal is to use and develop more functions to the point that you aren't just relying upon what your type is. But more development across types means that you don't always readily fit into one personality typing. I would recommend taking a look at the various other types and seeing what things you can find yourself relating to.
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this isnt true, ENFPs will always prefer Ne-Fi-Te-Si. |
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| 26 Apr 2011 08:36 AM |
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Yes, preferring does not necessarily mean one finds themselves acting in that set order when addressing life, though. People are far more complex than just a set order of functions and will definitely deviate depending on a wider range of variables presented in life. Moreover, if one is borderline "J" and "P", for example, their entire personality typing can vary greatly. MBTI isn't very good at looking at those people who seem to fall within two different personality ranges. |
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| 26 Apr 2011 12:39 PM |
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I am actually more the NeTeFi variety of ENFP. I am kind of old and in science, thus I tend to be very logical in how I like to evaluate things around me. I value people greatly, but I tend to value things like work ethic, responsibility, honesty, integrity, rationality and authenticity over superficial kindness. I feel like it is better to be honest, even if somewhat hurtful, if it will result in greater long term growth for another individual. It's odd as I do not want others to be hurt, but sometimes I realize that a bit of immediate hurt via honesty, actually will make things better for them in the long term....growth by fire perhaps? Many enfps around me are very soft and sweet and will tend to be very nice compared to me. I am also very direct and blunt in my text, where many enfps are very soft and sweet and seem much more gentle. Some days this bums me out as I can be sweet at times, but only when I really feel sweetness towards another-otherwise I will be honest and direct towards the other person. online in forums especially it seems I stand out form other enfps as I am so direct and...."ballsy" as an entp friend once phrased it... So I dunno, that's me. |
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| 26 Apr 2011 04:20 PM |
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Oh my word, it is like you are describing me, happy puppy! I am the same exact way (except that I am not old or in science). It makes me constantly question whether I am T or F. I have a really well developed Ti, but I think I am still NeFiTeSi. At the same time, I really don't know for sure what I am... I am unique! I can't be labeled! Hooray! |
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| 26 Apr 2011 05:19 PM |
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I've always wanted to start a thread about Ti Nadette. I know we've pointed out similarities between us (and now happy puppy joins the ranks). I honestly feel like I"m Ne fi ti Te Si. I know purists will say that's impossible, but remember this is all theory. I agree with Nadette, we are all unique and don't always fit nicely into baskets. |
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| 26 Apr 2011 06:38 PM |
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I also have pretty strong T. Looking back, my dad always wanted me to be an engineer or something similarly mathy, so I developed it more than I probably otherwise would have. And apparently I continue to push it - I'm in a research grad program and now surrounding by mostly T-folks. Actually, I've been trying to re-balance things lately and go a little more F. The forum is F playtime for me, most of the time. |
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| 27 Apr 2011 08:49 PM |
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The link below is great for explaining variations between people within the same type. I posted it in an earlier thread, but thought it'd be worth sharing again.
It also explains well how someone can test as a few different types, when after a bit of study, their actual type can be determined.
http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/mmd-growth/mmd-growth.htm
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| 27 Apr 2011 09:41 PM |
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I don't think you're strange. I'm an ENFP and I've often been told I'm very blunt, and it's often seen as a positive thing. I'll often just say what's on my mind or ask a question and everyone around me laughs in a "oh you!-way" and thinks I'm joking, when it's actually just an honest question. I think we're very invested in emotional truth, so while we're excellent verbalists and capable of great subtlety, I think we'll cut to the root of contradictory or muddled sentiments expressed by others in a way that can seem either shockingly (or refreshingly) blunt to other types. We want other people to be happy but to just flatter them or to robotically agree wouldn't be in line with our internal values engine. I think in the end an ENFP has to do his thing. (or her thing)! |
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| 27 Apr 2011 09:58 PM |
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I'm pretty blunt as well, though I might just laugh it off as, "But what do I know?" But I agree fleetwell, to thine own self be true or what's the point? Nick, I read the info on the link, and it's very informative and helpful. I'm not sure it explains how I've always felt pretty equally Fi and Ti with Fi slightly edging forward. I'm most definitely Ne first. And Fe and Te lag far behind. I guess I'm just some sort of an MBTI freak. And I'm fine with that. |
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| 28 Apr 2011 08:02 PM |
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No.
It's
Se/Ni vs Ne/Si
Fe/Ti vs Fi/Te
you CAN'T have both Fi and Ti
Fi and Ti are very alike, this is why you may feel like you're a ENFP with developped Ti. You're not. Te and Fi can create the illusion of Ti, but it's really not.
Why can't you have both?
Fi says that morality is subjective. It defines you. You're telling them something is wrong and they just hav to accept it like that? Yeah... good luck on that. They will stand up for their values very highly and may be pretty blunt about it (Te support)
Fe however thinks morality is not subjective. You're not important enough to decide what is wrong or right. You're only an invidual in a community...
Like I said Fi works with Te and Ti works with Fe.
This is why you can't be ENxP using cognitive functions, Ti/Fe and Fi/Te disagree with each other. ENFx is even worst, ENFPs and ENFJs are completely different.
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| 28 Apr 2011 10:02 PM |
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Well, first of all, everyone has both Fi and Ti if you ascribe to the shadow function element. It's just a matter of order. I realize that Ne Fi Ti Te Si is not a recognized order of primary functions, that was the whole point of the post. But again, it's all theory and it seems highly unlikely that anyone consistently uses a linear and permanently fixed order each time they use their brain. Most of us could answer some if not many of the questions in a personality test differently depending on the day and the circumstances. As I understand the difference between Ti and Te, Ti is more of a pure logical function which doesn't deal much with empirical data or process, but rather focuses on what can actually be proven as unequivocally true (i.e. math and logic) or not eliminated as untrue. Te uses empirical data (more often) to order, organize and create systems that work to a specified end. I've taken several tests, and all but one came back ENFP. Interestingly, the secondary suggested type is usually INTP. Anyways, again, it's all theory and highly subjective in analysis. I just come hear to talk to interesting people and joke around. |
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| 28 Apr 2011 11:02 PM |
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Posted By Nadette on 25 Apr 2011 07:43 PM
I think ENFPs may be more prone to this multiple personality thing. I def feel like I have multiple personalities. They are ENFP, ENTP, INTP, and INFP....in that order. (also: INTJ, ENTJ, ENFJ...in that order, oh, and INFJ) I really relate to all their descriptions and motivational posters, lol. Yay balance; arg feeling like more than one person! I think it may partially be due to how adaptable we are. ENFPs are kind of known for this trait. It makes sense that our personality is capable of "shifting" depending on circumstances/people/etc.
If it helps though, the fact that you asked this question, and worded it the way you did, strikes me as rather ENFP
Creepy! That is the *exact* order that I feel my "multiple personalities" follow.
I think these personality types should be thought of less as 'node like' and more along a spectrum (because that is exactly how any decent test is going to measure it-- even though it ultimately churns out the 4 letter result).
I am STRONGLY intuitive, I have never even considered that I might be sensing. I am also strongly perceiving.
my 'E' and 'F' are more debatable however. Every so often, a test I take will label me ENTP instead of ENFP. The tests that actually display the degree to which you display each of your letters tell me consistently that I barely prefer E over I, or vice-versa, and that I barely prefer F over T, ore vice-versa. The test I most recently took gave me an 11% preference on both of these, but an 80% preference on intuitive over sensing.
As everything in life, it is shades of gray, not black and white. It's just that some of our grays are more black (or more white) than others. |
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| 29 Apr 2011 10:13 AM |
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you CAN'T have both Fi and Ti and it seems highly unlikely that anyone consistently uses a linear and permanently fixed order each time they use their brain. I always thought that functions were preferences -- sort of like, what you'll do naturally the most often. Meaning that in the strict statistical sense you will more often behave in one fashion than another. From this perspective, you could say "you can't prefer both Fi and Ti; they're mutually exclusive preferences." But all functions are available to all people, and become moreso with time and development. I am STRONGLY intuitive, I have never even considered that I might be sensing. Same here. No question of my N. Beyond that I tend to fluctuate a bit. Heh, actually, I'll get different results if I take the tests with different mindsets, or place myself in different hypothetical circumstances. So if I answer the questions with the mindset of "how would I answer this in 'work mode'?" then I usually end up ENTP and rarely ENTJ. If I use the mindset of "how would I answer this when I'm with my best friends, my wife, or left to myself?" then I always end up ENFP. I just come hear to talk to interesting people and joke around. Same here =) |
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| 29 Apr 2011 11:45 PM |
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I agree with both of the last posts.
But Boork, you may be surprised by the rigid interpretations by many, if not most, of the hardcore MBTI or "type" enthusiasts. Once you are "typed" as, say, an ENFP, you are assigned your set of functions. Ne Fi Te Si. It's then often assumed that any of the other functions are dormant or atrophied somewhere in your barely accessible unconscience. This is a common criticism of MBTI - the forced choice. It's not either A or B, in mind, it's more often A than B, as you said. That does not exclude a decent development of opposing functions when the preference is slight, or a serviceable development if the preference is moderate.
I don't think Jung's intentions were to box people into permanent categories. It was meant as a very broad tool to understand different perspectives. He also thought it would be a useful gauge to see areas in need of growth and encouraged people to develop functions that are less natural to them.
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| 30 Apr 2011 01:34 AM |
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Why can't you have both?
Fi says that morality is subjective. It defines you. You're telling them something is wrong and they just hav to accept it like that? Yeah... good luck on that. They will stand up for their values very highly and may be pretty blunt about it (Te support)
Fe however thinks morality is not subjective. You're not important enough to decide what is wrong or right. You're only an invidual in a community... At least Fi types will stand up for themselves. Fe types will rally their friends against you. Now who has got more honor?  Sorry i couldn't resist. I was feeling you were in some way biased.  Fi often has an air of "I am different.", whereas Fe can look like "I am trying to fit in." Now the great thing about values is... that sometimes you must forgo your lesser values in order to keep up a greater value. This can look very random to an outsider, but i assure you, it is not. It is just too complex to understand. Sometimes i don't even understand it myself. |
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| 30 Apr 2011 04:54 PM |
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It's all very soft science in any event.
It's only a model...
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