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11 Jan 2010 05:59 AM  
I don't think MBTI type is set in stone. Maybe you need to relax and find a few friends you can enjoy your time with, and talk to easily (about stuff you care to talk about.. making them Ns)
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11 Jan 2010 12:45 PM  

xnfp, given you began almost every sentence above with the indexical 'I', I'm going to have to vote for INFP. 'I' is for introvert!

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11 Jan 2010 01:13 PM  
Yea INFP you get my vote. and WELCOME TO THE FOURM we need more INFPs.

INFPs are like calm ENFPs (until you piss them off)
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11 Jan 2010 01:14 PM  
The simple fact you remember when you were 12 makes you an INFP
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11 Jan 2010 01:34 PM  
>.> INFPs and ENFPs have the same functions, just in different order. Naturally there will be similarities.

Let me try out another random hypothesis here and ask you a simple question:

One of your friends calls you a very bad name for no reason that you can fathom, and acts like you did something wrong. Do you...

a) Assume you must have done something wrong and go home to berate yourself for being a jerk
b) Get angry and upset in your confusion and eventually demand to know what the problem is after analyzing the situation for an insanely long time and coming to the conclusion that you didn't do anything.
c) Begin furiously doing some pointless chore - like cleaning the wall - and try not to say something to make it worse
d) Crumble immediately and run off while bursting into tears

Please go into detail about your reaction and the why's.
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11 Jan 2010 02:02 PM  
I see only b) as a valid option. I never do anything wrong
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11 Jan 2010 02:11 PM  
>.> You're an INTJ. The only question I'd have to ask to know your type for sure is "Who is the most awesome person you know?"
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11 Jan 2010 02:17 PM  
I'm sure there are people more awesome than me. I just haven't met them yet
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12 Jan 2010 04:04 AM  
Posted By Zsych on 11 Jan 2010 04:59 AM
I don't think MBTI type is set in stone. Maybe you need to relax and find a few friends you can enjoy your time with, and talk to easily (about stuff you care to talk about.. making them Ns)

yeah thanks it makes sense...

 

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12 Jan 2010 04:06 AM  
Posted By JHBowden on 11 Jan 2010 11:45 AM

xnfp, given you began almost every sentence above with the indexical 'I', I'm going to have to vote for INFP. 'I' is for introvert!

haha??? no... its not related, i was just putting out everything i thought of just to type it faster.... wasnt in mood for writting really

 

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12 Jan 2010 04:08 AM  
Posted By sbalbom on 11 Jan 2010 12:14 PM
The simple fact you remember when you were 12 makes you an INFP


ha ha ? was this a joke??
 

 

i usually have poor memory, and my INTP friend can tell me about something we did the whole day about few months or years ago I dont remember a single thing. But I've been digging a hell lot into my childhood and analyzing stuff to see what happened and all that. I probably dont remember one half of it... thats the problem. And I dont really believe it's that much type related.

 

well maybe you could say why else you think infp?

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12 Jan 2010 04:12 AM  
Posted By alysaria on 11 Jan 2010 12:34 PM
>.> INFPs and ENFPs have the same functions, just in different order. Naturally there will be similarities.

Let me try out another random hypothesis here and ask you a simple question:

One of your friends calls you a very bad name for no reason that you can fathom, and acts like you did something wrong. Do you...

a) Assume you must have done something wrong and go home to berate yourself for being a jerk
b) Get angry and upset in your confusion and eventually demand to know what the problem is after analyzing the situation for an insanely long time and coming to the conclusion that you didn't do anything.
c) Begin furiously doing some pointless chore - like cleaning the wall - and try not to say something to make it worse
d) Crumble immediately and run off while bursting into tears

Please go into detail about your reaction and the why's.

it all depends who the friend is, mostly it's B) in 90% situations. c,d is never.I am very direct with my friends. Wasnt when I was teen, but before and after that, I try to resolve everything.

would someone really choose c or d?  I cant be still with my friends if we dont discuss minor fights, I just dont like keeping negative grudges between us. I am not sure is this related to type or ??

One of my friends.. I ve been calling her out for couple of months and we make a deal and then she cancels, and usually I just go past that, but after doing it for months, I got pissed and stopped calling her and told her to call me when she can or at least let me know when she cancels (because she used to not even let me know that the deal is off)... but she didnt call, and now we are playing who will call first.

Normally, I would call.. but this is about hunderd time with same situation, so i dont want to call her because even though i ve been tempted, it always go back to how it was... and she isnt even aware that she should at least let me know when she cant come.

i am usually sticking to bad relationship way to long.

 

what else.......

 

yeah i am very dependable on affection and all from friends... if i know some friend is angry at me i am very uncalm, and need to make sure everything is okay between us to feel good.

i also tend to be quiet but when i get compliment or something i become bubbly and can go like that for hours or days. it much depends do people approve me.

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12 Jan 2010 04:35 AM  
i have a questions for fellow ENFPs;

1.how do you act when depressed?
2. how do you think ENFP would act if he really lose trust in people and world because of too many negative situations in life?
because, i really dont trust in people anymore, i dont view good in them. when i was child i did the opposite. i think that maybe being negative about people would surely make you more introverted?
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12 Jan 2010 04:38 AM  
yeah i also like to test my theories.. like i have theory about social circle, and then i like to investigate that type of people until i find out something that makes my investigation complete, i learn something new.. then i leave the circle, i mean, lose interest because i take all i could from there...
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12 Jan 2010 05:08 AM  
and yeah, another kind of weird thing - people definately describe me as happy-go-lucky.. "that happy girl", because i laugh and smile and kid A LOT. but i still dont like group situations if i am not with close friend.
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12 Jan 2010 07:10 AM  

You actually sound very ENFP to me. Like... very.

Reason being: your secondary function is the one really developing around your late-ish teenage years and up through your early-to-mid 20s (in the average case. Obviously some people start sooner or end later or whatever). I did the exact opposite. My parents used to tell me/sort of force me to have people over when I was in elementary school, when I strongly preferred playing video games and things alone. From about 5th-8th grade, I had a few friends, but definitely didn't really "try" to make them. It just happened. In high school, I did try to make friends, and for the most part succeeded (or at least I thought)--but ended up losing touch with them when we graduated... so in reality I think I just had a lot of acquaintances--a lot like an extrovert would. We would play frisbee together, texas hold em, Halo parties, etc... but apparently I wasn't exactly close to any of them. Then in college I found it astoundingly easy to make friends (though I went to a school with a lot of people like me, full of intuitives (literally, I can only think of 3 surely-sensors I've met in my whole time here), but started finding myself still ducking out to get my alone time occasionally--but not too often. I suspect that eventually, my Si will start carrying more weight in the 30s (I've read that happens, too) and I'll start looking like an introvert again.

Also: I knew an ESFJ with social anxiety disorder, and she would be really uncomfortable around people and things like that too.  So... I cast my vote for ENFP .

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12 Jan 2010 07:39 AM  

thanks for reply.
i wonder in what school did you go with lots of intuitives? wow.... my school is full of SJs. Much worse than highschool... i think my HS had good amount of Ns.

anyway.... yeah i'd much rather think i have social anx disorder (because you can fix it and then its all okay. ) but i am starting to think its not that, more like prefering introversion, or combo at best. I dont know. I dont think I only avoid big groups because of some insecurities (i think more that it's likely an opposite : having insecurities because i am bad in groups )... but hey, will see.. I kinda miss my old life!


thanks again

 

p.s. yeah, i too know couple of INs who were more introverted as children and now really establishing good social skills and all. I am kinda the other way around.

 

actually couple years ago when i got to college i concluded my inner life is not existent and that was making me troubles so i started to dig deep into myself convinced i'll fix myself and kinda keep going deeper and deeper without coming to other side or something.

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12 Jan 2010 12:10 PM  
I kept trying to respond to this... but my posts simply weren't coming out the way I wanted them to sound. I wrote two fairly long responses, which I'm pretty sure were just wrong :p. Anyway, I got cut off by having to go to class, but I am thinking about it, and I'll try to respond sometime later.
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12 Jan 2010 12:18 PM  
Yea, I have to agree with crypt on this one. You sound *very* ENFP to me as well. First of all, ENFPs try to be direct about dealing with problems - we don't like bad feelings to linger, so we do our best to clear the air as soon as we discover an issue.

One of my friends.. I ve been calling her out for couple of months and we make a deal and then she cancels, and usually I just go past that, but after doing it for months, I got pissed and stopped calling her and told her to call me when she can or at least let me know when she cancels (because she used to not even let me know that the deal is off)... but she didnt call, and now we are playing who will call first.


^ This right here is the same issue I have with my INFP friend. It's like she'll make a plan, then at the last minute freak out and decide not to attend. >< Half the time she doesn't even call...and she'll apologize days later with some excuse about her phone dying or something. The thing is, I've seen her do this to other people while hanging out with me. >.> INFPs hate the idea of social interaction - once they're in it, they're fine and usually glow and everyone remembers them as lively and fun. It's like they feel they have to entertain everyone or something. -shrug- But they hate being the center of attention....she told me that she used to cry as a little kid when people sang the birthday song to her, because it made her the center of attention.

As for your questions....if you're talking literal depression, there's an awesome thread on the topic at personalitycafe:

The 10 Stages Of A Depressed ENFP
When I say depressed, I mean it in the literal sense. Depression, it can strike anyone, and even if ENFP's seem happy go lucky 24/7, they've got a dark side too. More often than not it will not come out because of the ENFP nature to always look on the bright side, but given a bad enough situation and a smack into reality, these are the stages of what a depressed ENFP will go through.

Stage One: ENFP will start feeling a bit lonely and disconnected. They will think it's just a stage that will pass, and will try to ignore it.

Stage Two: The ENFP will start feeling even more lonely, this can usually be brought about by having a hard time with family or feeling like they are insecure in their relationships in general. Stage One increases, and the ENFP will start feeling anxious.

Stage Three: The ENFP's feeling of anxiousness will become overbearing, and they may feel extremely insecure when talking to other people. They lose the quick wit and charm they used to have. The smile will because more nervous and the laugh will become less natural. They will still be trying to convince themselves it;s just a stage that they are going through and that nothing is wrong.

Stage Four: ENFP will most likely hit shut down mode. They will not talk to other people about their feelings or what is going on unless asked specific, prying questions. They will have a really hard time talking to people and feeling like they can relate. They will start coming across as an introvert.

Stage Five: The ENFP will be extremely stressed, lonely, and emotional. May start bursting out randomly and be extremely moody. Will experience periods of highs and lows. The ENFP may start crying over something seemingly insignificant. They will do this because there is so much bottled feelings up inside and that may have been the last thing to set them off edge.

Stage Six: The ENFP will start lashing out at other people like above, but more extremely. Will most likely show complete and utter disregard for authority. They will also start hurting the people they care about, to make them back off and go away. All the while the ENFP, through the stages, will try to convince themselves that nothing is wrong and that they will get better, and thus the problem worsens.

Stage Seven: They will finally admit to themselves that there is a problem but try consciously to contradict it. They will try to force themselves to relax and be wonderful again. They will try to establish the facts- what the problems is, how it went wrong, and what to do.

Stage Eight: If it gets worse at this point, the ENFP will not be acting like themselves at all. They will not be thinking clearly, and will most likely suffer from being illogical, irrational, and as well may suffer from extremely headaches. They will give up on caring and will not pay attention to the world around them, instead focusing all of their energy into their inner world of what they feel and dwell on it. They will no longer have any motivation to care or do the things they love.

Stage Nine: Your ENFP will start enjoying dark humor ad freaking other people out for the hell of it, especially the people they care about. However, at this stage they will not do this too extremely to the people they care about because their is that small piece of the ENFP that wants to hold the relationship in tact. They will push you away and drag you back in, and become and emotional roller coaster for anyone and everyone around them. If you ask what is wrong, the ENFP will completely shoot you down unless it is in a structured environment and they think that you are somebody that they can trust. However at this point the ENFP will become extremely untrusting, so talking to them about anything is much like walking on fragile glass about to fall apart and break forever. The ENFP will hold grudges.

Stage Ten: Complete personality turnaround, the ENFP will have lost it, or will have appeared to. Complete emotional instability and recklessness. They will be completely and utterly impulsive to the point of stupidity. They will not care about their well being or anybody else's. At this pion, the ENFP will be so far in their heads it will be nearly impossible to get through to them unless you sink to his or her own level of insanity and instability. They will have given up on life altogether, and will most likely have forgotten what it was like to really feel alive and well again.


I've seen about 2 extremely unhealthy ENFP'd in my lifetime and this is what I have experienced. This is still in edit mode, basically a thesis, so please correct me if I'm wrong. I would like this to be as accurate as possible, and additional information would be great.


I was pretty negative about people too, believe it or not.... In junior high and high school, I felt like I wasn't really "normal" compared to the other kids. I got along better with younger children. In middle school, I was looked at like a freak for not liking boys and makeup and clothes like every other girl in my class....and when they couldn't use me as a dress-up doll, they pretty much stopped trying to be nice to me or hide the fact that they talked about me. In high school, it was worse - there was just an aura of hostility and disapproval that made me shell up and only really pop out to be myself in relaxed situations....like in the drama, music, art, and spanish groups/classes. I sometimes wished I had pyrokinesis like Carrie....heck, I sympathized with Carrie. I took most compliments suspiciously, expecting ulterior motives or sarcasm. I cried when I got the silliest little gifts....because I didn't expect them. Anyone who got close to me had to jump a million hurtles so that the moment they tripped and gave up I could tell myself that I was right about no one REALLY liking me.

It took 2 really good friends to reassure me, to listen to me, to accept me....and to just be themselves around me to make me start to see myself as worthy and acceptable, which suddenly made the world bright and positive again. I think for ENFPs especially, life is going to mirror what's going on inside....and no small part of that is because we have such contagious moods.
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