I think the various MBTI types, represent different ideals. So I decided to create this thread for ENFPs to express their ideals, and through discussion come to a better understanding of what you believe in, and how you can positively affect the world.

And since I'm INTJ - I'll bow out of this topic now

There is a problem with trying to make the world a 'better place' - the problem is that you try to change the people in the world - which dimishes their freedom if you succeed, because you 'made' them be a better person. I think doing so is wrong.

Everone must be free - for doing good thinghs or bad thinghs. There cannot be happiness without freedom. But to claim freedom, it needs courage. You must abolish the thinking in categories like 'good person', 'bad person'... it is wrong to judge a person, you cannot judge without elevating your 'value' above the one of the other - which cannot be if the judgement has to be just. You may judge their behaiviour - but you should never judge the persone themselves.
There is no bad person on the world - i believe that if you just let them be themselves and have their freedom, they will automaticly turn out for the good sooner or later - and if they don't, they will neve be truly happy.
I mean, what is, for example, dishonesty all about? It's about being a coward because you fear that speaking the truth has negative consequences. Why do so many people just look away when a crime is done? Because they fear that there might be negative consequences if they intervene. Why do people steal? Because the want more and more, always fearing they don't have enough. Fear is the opposite of freedom and always leads to unhappiness.

So, i would wish that everyone has the courage to be themselves, to free themselves of any chains there might be, free themselves from the fear.

So you want the world changed by having people be less judgemental of each other

and have people change how they behave so that they act from fear less.

You don't see value in discriminating between people based on different types of behavior and different personal qualities.

In my utopia would be a perfect laissez faire non materialistic rationally positivist post religious world.


I would sit on my lawn and read Plato.

How do you get there? Vote Ron Paul and his ilk.

The idea in my mind when I started this thread was for you to develop a vision here that most ENFPs can relate to, something you can discuss, and something you can create together.

"non-materialistic, rationally positivist" - doesn't necessarily create any feeling. Express your ideas, talk about the things you care about and why you care about them, so others can see what you find important and where you're coming from.

What about Ron Paul's ideas speaks to you? How will it make a better world? What problems do you see, and what do you think is more important?
Apart from Ron Paul's ideas and government, what matters to you in normal life, and when dealing with the people around you? How would things be better?

~ Withdraws before this thread is filled with the living wrath of the Dark Gods of INTJ!!! ~

Must....restrain......myself.......from......pointing ..........out.......flaws........in..........arguments

I would prefer to work with "close minded" people than with some "open minded" people. Because in my experience those who call themselfs "open minded" are are so open minded that their brains fell out. With "close minded" people you atleast have something to work with.

it would be great if religion, politics, and other things central to our lives could be discussed without getting so heated