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Last Post 15 Dec 2010 11:25 AM by Haumea. 29 Replies.
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22 Jun 2010 03:48 PM  
heh lol i'd love to see the face of whatever people read this mail ... if you got an answer, even better

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22 Jun 2010 03:50 PM  
I thought I was very polite and explained my purpose well. I acknowledged it was a strange question, meant to clear up a debate....and that it would also aid me in my own personal observations of personality type in the public eye. -shrug- If they think I'm weird, so be it. But I am an inquisitive creature, and rather than argue a point, I prefer to find a solid answer.
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22 Jun 2010 04:11 PM  
It's no problem, i knew what you meant.

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22 Jun 2010 07:20 PM  

The problem with having Obama take the test is that the test is known to be unreliable. Of course all paper and pencil tests have problems but it is widely recognized that the MBTI, even though it enjoys wide popularity, is exceptionally weak in test/re-test results.  A person can take the MBTI several months apart and get very different results.  The publishers of various tests boast about test-retest correlations between 70-90%. This would be considered “good” to “excellent.”  But there is no way of knowing just how reliable a particular person’s ratings are without retaking the test.  And if you do retake the test which score is the correct one?  This means that there is a good chance that your health, attitude, anxiety level, amount of sleep, and/or personal problems will make your results inaccurate.


Look up the etymology or historical background of the word “personality”.  It comes from the word “persona”, which refers to the mask that actors wore in the ancient theater.  Too often, our personality is what we want people to think we are or what we want to imagine we are. So we are deceptive in our social interactions and we tend to lie in varying degrees on psychological tests.

Then there is the question of how well people understand the descriptive terms used on a test.  What’s the difference between “anger” and “frustration?”  Or is there a difference between being “careful” and “cautious” or “fearful” and “worried?”  We don’t have a dictionary in our heads, let alone a thesaurus.

Are the various types real?  What are we talking about?  Are we really explaining personality or are we presenting a model of how words commonly used to describe personality are related.  Some tests might even be considered word usage tests more than personality tests.

Even though the many psychological tests have problems, the dimensions seem to be accurate.  The descriptions of the various types are fairly coherent.  There is a real difference between  INTP and ESFJ for example.  But we need to make sure that we don't take what we think of as a "type" and get to using it as a prescription rather than a description.

It has been stated before it is hard to know another person's type with certainty.  We routinely make that mistake in courtship.  And some of the same factors enter in when we see a good looking smooth talking politician. We downplay their negatives and accent their possitives.

 

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23 Jun 2010 10:52 AM  
>.> Every test is only as accurate as the answers the taker provides, especially a self-assessment test. -shrug- The one I linked specifically says to answer based on how you *usually* are and not how you feel at the moment.
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12 Sep 2010 01:38 AM  
I'm offened at the fact that he was even compared to my same personaily type... yeesh O_O
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12 Sep 2010 06:10 PM  
I veto his being an ENFP. It's possible he never got told about my email or my request.....but meh. I defy the suggestion he's an ENFP.
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13 Dec 2010 12:31 AM  
I have given this a bit of thought, and am taking a way out on the limb contrarian view: he's an ESTP.

Why? I have observed him in the WH for the last 2 years and, sorry, but he sucks at diplomacy which is the essential strength of NF types.

He is a MUCH MUCH stronger tactician (SP) than diplomat (NF) or strategist (NT.)

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13 Dec 2010 10:53 AM  
Bill Clinton supposedly to the test and came out ENFP. I could definately see this. He's got the ENFP twinkle in his eye, remembers in detail personal information that people have shared with him.

Obama, I don't know. I'm not so sure if he sucks at diplomacy. These are very difficult times and he finds himself in an inflexible culture. But he is probably close to center on a couple of letters. Not text book anything.
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15 Dec 2010 11:25 AM  

 

I'm not so sure if he sucks at diplomacy. These are very difficult times and he finds himself in an inflexible culture.
 
Nah, that's not an excuse I buy for a second.  Forget about results, consider the approach.  His primary role model isn't a moral philosopher, ethicist or diplomat but a tactician (Alinsky.)  And he's an impressive tactician - something both his allies and opponents have to admit.
 
People here are misreading "Audacity of Hope", I think.
 
Per Keirsey: Artisan (SP) values -
 
Self-Respect (is in being): Audacious; Future Orientation: Optimistic.
 
I humbly rest my case...
 
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